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j0n_blayze

12-15-2004, 01:53 AM

Table is generally LAG and sLAG with a few scattered sLAPs and maybe a TAP who turns TAN every once an orbit. No specific reads cause i am multi-ing and falling asleep. Are my caps ok here or am I lagging out as well?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Button raises, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (21.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Button folds, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 30.25 BB

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spamuell

12-15-2004, 01:56 AM

I think calling the flop with the intention of check-raising the turn is pretty bad here, there are too many hands that the button could be raising with the intention of taking a free card on the turn and when you check-raise the turn then you make MP3 call two cold.

Three-bet the flop and take it from there, or stop and go the flop/turn, but don't check-raise the turn here.

Harv72b

12-15-2004, 02:03 AM

Button had the trip sevens, I'm guessing, and MP3 had KK?

I'd like to think that I'd have just called the river 3bet, but in the heat of the moment I'm fairly certain I'd have capped it, too. I don't see how else you could have played any other street...you want to slow down on the flop to let the others catch their draws, and you're not going to fold the turn when it gets capped after your c/r, so there's no debate there. Raising the river goes without saying, as there's only one hand a PFR could have that beats you.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, and MP3 was on something like AsKs, but my gut still says KK.

MoreWineII

12-15-2004, 02:04 AM

I don't know about the river check-raise after all the previous aggression your opponents have shown. I think either just bet out there and call a raise.

I'm certainly not capping it after I get 3-bet unless I was *damn* sure dude would overplay AK this way...

bisonbison

12-15-2004, 02:07 AM

I'd check-raise the flop. MP3 raised preflop, so let him do his thing. I also wouldn't cap the river.

Harv72b

12-15-2004, 02:07 AM

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I think calling the flop with the intention of check-raising the turn is pretty bad here, there are too many hands that the button could be raising with the intention of taking a free card on the turn and when you check-raise the turn then you make MP3 call two cold.

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I like the play based on the turn card, though...not sure if he played it that way intentionally while multitabling & falling asleep, but when MP3 didn't raise a paired, two-suited flop, you have to think he's on AK and will bet when the K comes on the turn. He went for the c/r instead as well, but hey...that's the breaks sometimes.

On a turn besides an A or K, betting out looks like a better play.

j0n_blayze

12-15-2004, 02:12 AM

Wow i thought capping these hidden full houses was almost standard on these boards. Dont you guys think that the Button could have a 7 and MP3 has AK of spades? I mean... AK of spades has some decent outs. i see these crazy plays all the time at 2/4.
jon

phy1234

12-15-2004, 02:12 AM

Everything seems good except maybe the cap on the river. I would like to see specific stats on the PFR if you have them. Does the check 3 bet on the turn not scare you from MP3? It screams wither AKs or KK to me.

j0n_blayze

12-15-2004, 02:14 AM

exactly... i figured AKs and thought i was fine. And yea I would have gotten scared if I wasn't falling asleep. :P
jon

MoreWineII

12-15-2004, 02:18 AM

That's a hell of a lot of betting with AK, but if you think he's capable of it...then I guess have at it.

Folding Pete

12-15-2004, 02:42 AM

On the flop I would probably check as I don't want to bet out and have the next player with 55 raise and drive out players drawing dead out. I would probably cap the flop if I bet out.

As this is Party Poker there is no advantage to driving players out to get it heads up on the next street. If this was a crypto site allowing unlimited raises heads up then this can be an option if you are against a maniac or a player who will commit many bets with just trips.

I dislike the turn check here very much. You don't want to give players, who will call 1 bet on the turn and fold on the river, a free card. If Hero checks and button does bet then your check raise may drive out the middle player who may have called one bet. I bet hoping the MP calls and the button raises.

On the river I bet out as you may get a flush raising you and trips just calling. Personally I wouldn't cap it but then usually regret it at showdown.

As I have seen a lot of players lately just limping in with big pairs, I will put MP on KK.

Always be folding

Folding Pete

private joker

12-15-2004, 02:53 AM

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As I have seen a lot of players lately just limping in with big pairs, I will put MP on KK.

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When did MP ever limp here?

Anyway, this post should be called How To Play A Boat. This hand would be a lot different if Hero just had a set and had to worry about a possible flush killing his hand after the flop. When you flop a full house, you don't mind flush draws sticking around and you even want them to hit their spade.

Also I agree that this looks like KK.

j0n_blayze

12-15-2004, 09:48 PM

Yea yea you guys were right on target. MP3 had KK... button mucked.