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Karak567

12-12-2004, 01:39 AM

There's three pushes I made listed below (all in different games), read all 3 and lemme know what you think of my play! thanks :-)

#1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t1700)
UTG+1 (t1755)
MP1 (t1050)
Hero (t1450)
MP3 (t1450)
CO (t660)
Button (t1775)
SB (t2180)
BB (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises to t150, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t150, MP3 folds, CO raises to t660, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t510, Hero raises to t1450, UTG calls t790.

Flop: (t3605) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)

Turn: (t3605) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)

River: (t3605) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)

Final Pot: t3605

#2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1325)
MP3 (t1255)
CO (t1190)
Hero (t1485)
SB (t940)
BB (t1270)
UTG (t1470)
UTG+1 (t1370)
MP1 (t3195)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t100, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises to t300, Hero calls t300, SB folds, BB calls t250, UTG+1 calls t200.

Flop: (t1225) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB bets t50, UTG+1 raises to t250, CO folds, Hero raises to t1185, BB calls t920 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t820 (All-In).

Turn: (t4450) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t4450) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t4450

# 3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, Hero raises to t80, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 raises to t140, MP3 calls t120, CO folds, Hero calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t610) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG+1 bets t140, MP2 raises to t280, MP3 raises to t420, Hero raises to t1080, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t1080 (All-In), MP3 calls t940 (All-In).

Turn: (t4550) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t4550) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t4550

FishBurger

12-12-2004, 02:51 AM

Disclaimer: I play the $16 turbos on Stars.

The first push looks good to me. I think you always call any short stacks push with QQ. You're likely ahead and may have him dominated. Usually the shorest stacks at the beginning of a tourney are the loosest players, so he's probably pushing with A,10 or something. UTG may have something, but I think you just take that chance wtih QQ. You've got the third best preflop hand in HE, so you might as well try to get some value out of it. I make this play every time.

Second push is great. You only fear a set, and since you have an ace and a queen, you really only fear a set of eights. Easy push.

Third push is pretty good, too. Even if you're facing the nut straight, you probably have 2-1 odds to draw to the nut flush, so the pot is right to make this move. Of course, someone else may be on a flush draw, which reduces your outs, but, considering you have a good chance to more than triple up, it's a good push. You are either going to take a commanding chip lead or get knocked out. I'd make the same play.

All looks good to me.

pshreck

12-12-2004, 03:22 AM

Sorry if this is a meager response, but it was the most glaring thing.

You are calling a bet and raise on top with AQ? This has always been an easy drop for me. I bet you were beat by AK on this hand by the reraiser.

Karak567

12-12-2004, 03:32 AM

I lost every one of those hands.

On the AQ hand I was beat by 88 which hit a set actually.

FishBurger

12-12-2004, 04:10 AM

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I lost every one of those hands.

On the AQ hand I was beat by 88 which hit a set actually.

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There's not much you can do about top two pair against a set. That'll happen every great once in a while.

I assume in the first one, somebody had an ace? I still like the first push. Many times when you see the preflop raise followed by the short stack allin, you'll be up against AK and Ax. QQ is a big favorite in that situation.

What were you up against on the third hand? An overpair and a flush draw? The third one is the most marginal push. If someone else is on a flush draw and you are against a set, two pair, or the flopped straight, then you won't have the pot odds to make that push.

I agree with pshreck that you shouldn't be calling reraises preflop with AQ. I raise with AQ preflop if noone else has raised and call a preflop raise in late position with AQ (unless the raise is huge).

AQ is a dangerous hand that can get you in a lot of trouble at a 9-handed table. I think it plays best against 2 or 3 players and is very strong once the field gets cut down to 5. If you find yourself losing a lot of hands in the early rounds of an SnG with AQ, then muck it to any preflop raise, and only play it in late position otherwise.

Benholio

12-12-2004, 07:27 AM

#1: I am wondering if you normally just cold call with QQ, or was there a reason for this? Just calling here seems weak, and I don't realy think a call-reraise was your plan of action from the beginning. If you're willing to go to war with this hand (and you should be), go ahead and raise first chance you get.

#2: I agree with the previous posters that AQ shouldn't be played to a raise and a re-raise in most situations. Drop it, you are too often dominated.

#3: With this many limpers, you might want to just limp with AQ if you are going to play. By raising to 80 you are going to get several callers, so you are just building a big pot with a troublesome hand. Raising more than that, while limiting the field, just commits more of your chips than you'd like with this easily dominated hand. As it stands, you got limp-reraised, which means you are very likely in big trouble. If you flop top pair, you are easily dominated or beaten by an overpair, and could easily go broke. If you flop a flush draw, you are definately going to have to pay to chase since there will likely be a lot of action from these pre-flop players.

So now you flop the flush draw, and 3 players show strength in front of you. This makes 2 pair hands/sets very possible, which kills some of your flush outs.

For instance, if you assume that only 2 of the 3 players that just bet/raised will call, and we put them on say, (AA/KK) and 66 (no clubs), then you only have 25% equity in this pot. That falls to 22% if the 'big pair guy' has KK and the K of clubs.

Pushing here is at best only a slightly +CEV move, you can definately fold here and save your chips for better edges later.

These type of hands the reason you want to avoid getting a lot of chips involved with hands like AQ early.