2nd Nuts Difficulties

[gaming_mouse]

Playing a shorthanded 3/6 game on pacific. No reads on villain, as he just sat down.

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3 checks to me, I bet, 2 callers.

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2 checks to me, I bet, only Villain calls.

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Villain bets. Do I raise or just call?

gm

EDIT: Had the turn card wrong first time

[bisonbison]

It's important whether the turn action went:

bet, fold, call or bet, call, fold. Where is the villain relative to you?

Not knowing, I would raise.

[gaming_mouse]

bison,

i see your point. villain was utg. does that change your raise to a call?

gm

[bisonbison]

YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHERE HE WAS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER CALLER.

[gaming_mouse]

Sorry, when I said UTG I meant that he was acting first on all the post-flop rounds, not that he was actually in the seat UTG. My bad.

gm

[bisonbison]

So that means that the other caller acted after you bet and the villain called?

Cause that makes it slightly more likely that he was calling to get more money in the pot.

I still raise.

[ErrantNight]

n/m

i finally figured it out...

raise.

[gaming_mouse]

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So that means that the other caller acted after you bet and the villain called?

I still raise.

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Yes, that's correct. In the actual hand, I raised as well, thinking that he might have been betting with the 3rd nuts, or perhaps as a bluff.

He re-raised, and I called -- was the call a mistake? I really wasn't sure, but I figured given the pot odds it was okay. I didn't like it, tho.

gm

[what]

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So that means that the other caller acted after you bet and the villain called?

I still raise.

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Yes, that's correct. In the actual hand, I raised as well, thinking that he might have been betting with the 3rd nuts, or perhaps as a bluff.

He re-raised, and I called -- was the call a mistake? I really wasn't sure, but I figured given the pot odds it was okay. I didn't like it, tho.

gm

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I think you have to call here. The pot is big and there is precisely one card he could have that would beat you. I can't imagine him raising with the 10h, but folding the winner would be a disaster

[gaming_mouse]

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I think you have to call here. The pot is big and there is precisely one card he could have that would beat you. I can't imagine him raising with the 10h, but folding the winner would be a disaster


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Yes, and that is a good argument for calling instead of raising -- and the reason I made the post.

When you are behind and raise, you lose an extra 2 BB. When you are ahead and raise, you win (maybe) an extra 1 BB.

gm