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Beavis68
12-08-2004, 10:37 PM
Ok, sorry I don't know all the details.

Situation as I know it.

You 750 Blinds 25/50 you are in the BB, 4 handed in a tourney and are the low stack.

The UTG guy limps, button and SB folds for some stupid reason, you just check with A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Flop is K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Again you have some kind of spasm, and just check again.

UTG bets 75. What do you do know?

1C5
12-08-2004, 10:44 PM
I said call as he may only bet 75 again and you will get to see if there will be a D on the board, if you go all in and no D, you will prob lose to a pair.

Beavis68
12-08-2004, 10:58 PM
I said all-in (this wasnt my hand) you are probably a statistical favorite right now, and have mutha outs (at least 13) and there is 200 in the pot.

captZEEbo1
12-08-2004, 11:48 PM
he's only calling a c/r allin with the K, if he does, you have 3 A outs, 3 J outs, and 9 flush outs, so you're fine. He's likely folding here though.

ChrisV
12-09-2004, 12:00 AM
Minor nitpick - you have at least 12 outs, not 13 (the J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif doubles up) but the aces are probably good too. This hand is a rock. I'm 44% even vs KQ and a favourite vs one pair. This pot is mine so I'm going to grab it now - allin.

By the way, I don't think any "spasm" is required to explain the check on the flop - it's the right play for sure. If someone bets, if puts more money in the pot for me to steal by raising allin. If everyone checks, that's fine by me too.

Beavis68
12-09-2004, 12:12 AM
yeah you are right, I didnt forget it, I just didnt work it through - always good to point that out.
BTW, my rec is he should have moved in PF.

Firefly
12-09-2004, 12:27 AM
Push. Because He might fold and you're not a major dog to any hand at this point.

Apathy
12-09-2004, 12:45 AM
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yeah you are right, I didnt forget it, I just didnt work it through - always good to point that out.
BTW, my rec is he should have moved in PF.

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really? anyone else feel like this? with 25/50 blind I would check here everytime. Thoughts?

ChrisV
12-09-2004, 01:12 AM
Moving in looks good to me. There's 125 in the pot - suppose the blinds were 50/100 and it folds to you in the SB - moving in now? There isn't really that much difference.

I think checking is fine as well.

Paragon
12-09-2004, 03:18 AM
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Minor nitpick - you have at least 12 outs, not 13 (the J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif doubles up)...

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Hrmn, I think capt did the math right if you'll check again. He only counted 3 J outs before the standard 9 for flush outs. And the total was never 13, it's 15.

2d-9d (8) + 4 jacks + 3 aces

ChrisV
12-09-2004, 04:50 AM
If you apply my post to the post it was responding to, and not some other post, you may find it makes more sense.

Beavis68
12-09-2004, 01:35 PM
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Minor nitpick - you have at least 12 outs, not 13 (the J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif doubles up)...

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Hrmn, I think capt did the math right if you'll check again. He only counted 3 J outs before the standard 9 for flush outs. And the total was never 13, it's 15.

2d-9d (8) + 4 jacks + 3 aces

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Right, Chris was replying to my post, I meant at least 12. The aces arent guaranteed but likely outs.