Minnow
12-08-2004, 12:18 AM
PS 2/4 .25 ante
7 Handed
$1.75 Pot after the antes (1SB)
*** 3rd STREET ***
Seat 2[Qd]
Minnow[2d Td 8d]
Seat 4[5d]
Seat 5[4d]
Seat 6[3s]
Seat 7[Ts]
Seat 8[Ac]
Seat 6 brings-in low $1
Minnow: calls $1 [The T, A and Q all folded before it got to me so even though 3 diamonds are dead I’ve got two overcards so I’m thinking this is an easy call at this point. Or did I make my first big mistake of this hand cause not only were three diamonds out but one of my tens. I've always been more of a sucker for flush draws than straight draws. I guess this is another one of those situations where either I improve on fourth or fold??]
Seat 4: calls $1
$4.75 in pot after 3rd street (2SB)
*** 4th STREET ***
Minnow[2d Td 8d] [Tc]
Seat 4[5d] [8s]
Seat 6[3s] [6d]
Minnow: bets $2 [I’m feeling pretty good at this point. Hey my hand improved. I’ve got a big pair while my opponents still don’t have any overcards to mine and there is still no apparent threat. This is an obvious bet and one player drops out. So far I’m still feeling good]
Seat 4: calls $2
Seat 6: folds
$8.75 in the pot after 4th street (2BB)
*** 5th STREET ***
Minnow[2d Td 8d Tc] [6h]
Seat 4[5d 8s] [2s]
Minnow: bets $4 [I would have appreciated some improvement to at least two pair here or even another diamond but I still don’t perceive a threat from Seat 4 so I bet. That’s all I can do. No reason for any tricky check raise try. I definitely don’t want to risk giving a free card. The basic odds chart in the back of the Roy West book shows the odds of making a flush with four of one suit and one other card at 1.75-1. So after my bet the pot is 12.75. Seat 4’s call is more than justified if he has picked up a flush draw. Right? I’m still not sure what he’s got. Pocket pair? Big pocket pair?. Straight draw? I think a straight draw is more likely than the others]
Seat4: calls $4
$16.75 in pot after 5th street (4BB)
*** 6th STREET ***
Minnow[2d Td 8d Tc 6h] [Kc]
Seat 4[5d 8s 2s] [Qs]
Minnow: bets $4
Seat 4: raises $4 to $8
Minnow: calls $4
After my bet there's $20.75 in the pot. (5BB) Seat 4 raises it to 8 making the pot 28.75. About 7BB. My flush draw is a long distant memory and it's too late to make a full house. My call is another heat of the battle type call. I can't believe he made a flush. Typically you discount a possible made flush on 6th if the opponents 3rd street card is not the same suit...right? Up to this point I wasnt really sure what he was drawing to although I thought most likely he was on a straight draw. These guys play small straight draws. I don't...but they do. So would any of you had checked to him once you saw that third suit? Then call and check and call on the river? If I checked and he hadnt yet made his flush he would have gotten a free draw to make it with one last card after I denied him that opportunity up to this point. Does it make sense to put on the brakes and assume I'm giving him a card? He's called me down this far.
According to the Fundamental theorem of poker every time you play a hand differently than you would have if you had seen your opponents cards your opponent gains. Obviously if I had known he had a flush I would not have bet and would have folded to his bet. All I can do is guess how likely it is that he does have a flush…right? So how do I do that? If I call I’m getting 7 to 1 that he doesn’t have a flush? How do I estimate how likely it is that he does have a flush and figure the odds of that. I hope that doesn’t sound too stupid. I’d think about this some more and try to figure it out on my own but after spending an hour typing this out and organizing it I’m spent.
$32.75 in the pot after 6th street. 8BB
*** RIVER ***
Minnow [2d Td 8d Tc 6h Kc] [6c]
Minnow: checks
Seat 4: bets $4
Minnow: calls $4 [obviously at this point I’ve resigned to checking and calling to see what I flushed $19.25 down the drain for.]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Seat 4: shows [6s 4s 5d 8s 2s Qs 7h] (a flush, Queen high) So now I know what he’s got. Like I said, these low limit guys like to play the low straight draws. So he had an inside straight draw at fourth street with a backdoor flush draw. According to the RW odds table the odds against the inside straight draw alone at fourth street were 3 to 1. When he made his bet there was $6.75 in the pot. More than 3BB. And that doesn’t include implied odds and the possible 3 flush draw which I don’t know how to calculate all those together. So he actually made an OK call on fourth. Then on fifth he’s now picked up both an open ended straight draw and a flush draw. There was $12.75 in the pot (3BB) so he was getting 3 to 1 on his fifth street bet. Again I don’t know how to calculate the combined odds of his straight draw AND flush draw but he probably got good odds. Plus the bonus of some sucker betting into him on sixth when he made his flush so he could raise him and get at least one extra bet. So my lucky opponent actually played it pretty well. At least it worked out well for him. Turned into a no brainer in fact. I was on the difficult end of it. But there’s really nothing I could do I don’t think. Except maybe fold to the raise on 6th and save eight bucks. That’s poker. Right?
Any comments (or corrections) would be welcome. Thanks. Minnow. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
7 Handed
$1.75 Pot after the antes (1SB)
*** 3rd STREET ***
Seat 2[Qd]
Minnow[2d Td 8d]
Seat 4[5d]
Seat 5[4d]
Seat 6[3s]
Seat 7[Ts]
Seat 8[Ac]
Seat 6 brings-in low $1
Minnow: calls $1 [The T, A and Q all folded before it got to me so even though 3 diamonds are dead I’ve got two overcards so I’m thinking this is an easy call at this point. Or did I make my first big mistake of this hand cause not only were three diamonds out but one of my tens. I've always been more of a sucker for flush draws than straight draws. I guess this is another one of those situations where either I improve on fourth or fold??]
Seat 4: calls $1
$4.75 in pot after 3rd street (2SB)
*** 4th STREET ***
Minnow[2d Td 8d] [Tc]
Seat 4[5d] [8s]
Seat 6[3s] [6d]
Minnow: bets $2 [I’m feeling pretty good at this point. Hey my hand improved. I’ve got a big pair while my opponents still don’t have any overcards to mine and there is still no apparent threat. This is an obvious bet and one player drops out. So far I’m still feeling good]
Seat 4: calls $2
Seat 6: folds
$8.75 in the pot after 4th street (2BB)
*** 5th STREET ***
Minnow[2d Td 8d Tc] [6h]
Seat 4[5d 8s] [2s]
Minnow: bets $4 [I would have appreciated some improvement to at least two pair here or even another diamond but I still don’t perceive a threat from Seat 4 so I bet. That’s all I can do. No reason for any tricky check raise try. I definitely don’t want to risk giving a free card. The basic odds chart in the back of the Roy West book shows the odds of making a flush with four of one suit and one other card at 1.75-1. So after my bet the pot is 12.75. Seat 4’s call is more than justified if he has picked up a flush draw. Right? I’m still not sure what he’s got. Pocket pair? Big pocket pair?. Straight draw? I think a straight draw is more likely than the others]
Seat4: calls $4
$16.75 in pot after 5th street (4BB)
*** 6th STREET ***
Minnow[2d Td 8d Tc 6h] [Kc]
Seat 4[5d 8s 2s] [Qs]
Minnow: bets $4
Seat 4: raises $4 to $8
Minnow: calls $4
After my bet there's $20.75 in the pot. (5BB) Seat 4 raises it to 8 making the pot 28.75. About 7BB. My flush draw is a long distant memory and it's too late to make a full house. My call is another heat of the battle type call. I can't believe he made a flush. Typically you discount a possible made flush on 6th if the opponents 3rd street card is not the same suit...right? Up to this point I wasnt really sure what he was drawing to although I thought most likely he was on a straight draw. These guys play small straight draws. I don't...but they do. So would any of you had checked to him once you saw that third suit? Then call and check and call on the river? If I checked and he hadnt yet made his flush he would have gotten a free draw to make it with one last card after I denied him that opportunity up to this point. Does it make sense to put on the brakes and assume I'm giving him a card? He's called me down this far.
According to the Fundamental theorem of poker every time you play a hand differently than you would have if you had seen your opponents cards your opponent gains. Obviously if I had known he had a flush I would not have bet and would have folded to his bet. All I can do is guess how likely it is that he does have a flush…right? So how do I do that? If I call I’m getting 7 to 1 that he doesn’t have a flush? How do I estimate how likely it is that he does have a flush and figure the odds of that. I hope that doesn’t sound too stupid. I’d think about this some more and try to figure it out on my own but after spending an hour typing this out and organizing it I’m spent.
$32.75 in the pot after 6th street. 8BB
*** RIVER ***
Minnow [2d Td 8d Tc 6h Kc] [6c]
Minnow: checks
Seat 4: bets $4
Minnow: calls $4 [obviously at this point I’ve resigned to checking and calling to see what I flushed $19.25 down the drain for.]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Seat 4: shows [6s 4s 5d 8s 2s Qs 7h] (a flush, Queen high) So now I know what he’s got. Like I said, these low limit guys like to play the low straight draws. So he had an inside straight draw at fourth street with a backdoor flush draw. According to the RW odds table the odds against the inside straight draw alone at fourth street were 3 to 1. When he made his bet there was $6.75 in the pot. More than 3BB. And that doesn’t include implied odds and the possible 3 flush draw which I don’t know how to calculate all those together. So he actually made an OK call on fourth. Then on fifth he’s now picked up both an open ended straight draw and a flush draw. There was $12.75 in the pot (3BB) so he was getting 3 to 1 on his fifth street bet. Again I don’t know how to calculate the combined odds of his straight draw AND flush draw but he probably got good odds. Plus the bonus of some sucker betting into him on sixth when he made his flush so he could raise him and get at least one extra bet. So my lucky opponent actually played it pretty well. At least it worked out well for him. Turned into a no brainer in fact. I was on the difficult end of it. But there’s really nothing I could do I don’t think. Except maybe fold to the raise on 6th and save eight bucks. That’s poker. Right?
Any comments (or corrections) would be welcome. Thanks. Minnow. /images/graemlins/grin.gif