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blackaces13
12-05-2004, 06:46 PM
It was strange for me not to raise trips here but I think it was the right play. Anyone disagree? Just sat down, no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, Stlbluzfan1 checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Stlbluzfan1 calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, Stlbluzfan1 folds, SB folds, BB folds.

River (7 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue"> (2 players)
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UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB


How about the preflop call and the flop bet?
vetman81
12-05-2004, 06:50 PM
Fold this PF. On the flop, betting is the right play when it is checked to you. Raise the turn. I dont think you are behind here, but you may be. Betting the river is pretty straight forward.
blackaces13
12-05-2004, 06:52 PM
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Raise the turn. I dont think you are behind here, but you may be. Betting the river is pretty straight forward.

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Whether I'm behind or not isn't the issue IMO. Look how many players I have behind me.
vetman81
12-05-2004, 07:02 PM
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Look how many players I have behind me.

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You only have one player behind you. The rest have already acted. Not raising here is weak-tight IMO.
blackaces13
12-05-2004, 07:07 PM
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Look how many players I have behind me.

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You only have one player behind you. The rest have already acted. Not raising here is weak-tight IMO.

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No. I have 3 players behind me, 2 have checked in front of me now making them act behind me. I have a good chance to pick up loose calls here, I can't force out a flushdraw or an OESD, and I have an excellent chance of being behind. That turn lead is a bit worrisome after nearly everyone called the flop. An ep CR isn't out of the question either.
Entity
12-05-2004, 07:09 PM
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Look how many players I have behind me.

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You only have one player behind you. The rest have already acted. Not raising here is weak-tight IMO.

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It's not weak tight; it's basically going for overcalls on the turn from hands that are likely drawing hopelessly thin. The twoflush, semi-coordinated board probably tips me in favor of raising this turn.

BTW, I'd definitely fold preflop.

Rob
blackaces13
12-05-2004, 07:14 PM
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The twoflush, semi-coordinated board probably tips me in favor of raising this turn.


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The thing is that I can't get them to fold anyway. So why do I want to chase out the hopeless hands that generally call at .5/1? Also, getting 3 bet here would really suck.
Entity
12-05-2004, 07:29 PM
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The twoflush, semi-coordinated board probably tips me in favor of raising this turn.


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The thing is that I can't get them to fold anyway. So why do I want to chase out the hopeless hands that generally call at .5/1? Also, getting 3 bet here would really suck.

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Getting 3-bet here would suck, but it's not going to happen that often. The biggest thing is, against hands like flush draws and other big draws (QJ - OESD), you don't really care if they fold or not. You're a HUGE favorite over everything here except a stronger K, or a flopped set (which isn't out there). Since they won't fold, raising causes them to pay 2x as much when they won't pay off a river bet.

Rob