Online Sportsbooks

I was looking into opening an account for both horse racing and sportsbetting. Any suggestions?


I've looked into AcesGold and like what I saw. Does anyone have any experience with them.


Thank you, John

There is a site called Pinnacle Sports that advertises on these forums. I don't know anything about them but since they advertise you may want to give them a look.

"I don't know anything about them but since they advertise you may want to give them a look. "


Why? What does advertising here have anything to do with being a good book? Nothing.


If you want to find good internet books, go to www.theprescription.com and www.majorwager.com - they have huge resources to let you filter out who's good and who's not.

Just by luck, Pinnacle is actually one of the best if all you plan to do is online bets. They offer lower vig than their competitors as long as you put in your plays online. It is true however that advertising is a false sense of security. Definitely look at the www.theprescription.com as anything that advertises on there can be considered fairly safe (but not always) and read the forum to get the latest on all the books.


This is very important right now as it seems obvious to me, my sources, and all the posting forums that this football season could be a disaster. Too many books chasing limited dollars. The people that are willing to put up money are already involved yet books keep opening up left and right guessing that the growth will continue. Fact is there probably will be only moderate growth from now on unless there is some sort of legalization passed. The people that don't trust the offshore industry are not going to change and will keep local bookies in business. What is happening now is that all the money in the system is just being shifted around as the players pick up bonuses and additional outs. This will really be bad for the books because they will be facing players that are looking for better numbers and better deals, neither of which will lead to a very profitable year.

the prescriptions preferred list and does offer -105 str8 nfl bets and 14-5 2 t parlays on internet...gl

I found your post to be nasty and amazing. If it weren't for our advertisers I doubt that this site (www.twoplustwo) would exist anymore. I didn't say to use them, and I made it clear that I didn't know if they were a good site or not.

MM, I don't want to put words in other poster's mouths, but I interpreted the other post as a subtle reminder to you that you may be "mailing it in" in your sports posts, and that your subscribers/fans are looking for a little more value added.

Let me give you a not so subtle reminder. I spend a lot of my time on these forums assuring that they are as good as we can make them, and I don't appreciate your usual implication that I am always looking to make an extra buck and don't care one bit about our posters.

I wrote : "Why? What does advertising here have anything to do with being a good book? Nothing. "


you wrote : "I found your post to be nasty and amazing. "


I found your comments of "There is a site called Pinnacle Sports that advertises on these forums. I don't know anything about them but since they advertise you may want to give them a look. " to be even more amazing and non-serving to posters/readers.


You don't know crap about Pinnacle. It just happens they are one of the best books around. The reason of "since they advertise" should not follow "give them a look". If they were a crappy book and did not payout, I doubt you'd know that...and I doubt anyone reading your post would know that, and I doubt anyone who read your post and then went to the site would know that. You should find out more about your advertisers before you say anything. Maybe if you did, you could've said "Pinnacle is one of the best books, so I've read. They also advertise here, give them a look".


"If it weren't for our advertisers I doubt that this site (www.twoplustwo) would exist anymore."


I will take your word that that is correct.


" I didn't say to use them, and I made it clear that I didn't know if they were a good site or not. "


No, you didn't say to use them, but you told them to take a look without knowing anything about your advertisers.


I will allow the intelligent readers of these forums to make up their minds on why your original statement is NOT in the best interest of the readers/posters unless you knew something about Pinnacle.

Taking a look means just that. It doesn't mean that I am recommending that you use them, and I think I made it clear that I didn't know anything about them. But they are supporting a service which people like yourself seem to enjoy, so why not give them a look. I asusume that you know enough about these things to decide for yourself after looking whether you want to take your business there or perhaps go someplace else. Or did I assume too much?

you assumed way too much. the fact that you assumed that means you know little about these books.


if you plain look at a book on the web, it will give you zero indication about their ability or capability to pay you once you win. all books look the same as far as that is concerned. the key is to know who has good odds, good prices, good websites...that's true...but even more important, don't you want a way to get your money back if you win? YES...that's the overriding key, and there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to tell that by just looking at the site.


It's like picking a wife through mailorder.

Just the fact that they are advertising on this site probably makes them legitimate. Here's why. We get many offers from gambling sites where they propose to put up a banner and our payment for this will be part of the loss that anyone who clicks through incurs. (The last offer that we got like this came from UltimateBet.com, a poker site.) We refuse to accept this type of ad because it is (1) Highly unethical in our opinion, and (2) Creates doubt in our mind that the site is capable of paying off. So any ad that you see on these forums from a gambling site is there because the site sent us some good hard cash for that privilege. Consequently, since many sites won't do this, and we won't accept those ads, you are more likely (but we don't guarantee it) to be safe.

I have no doubt you are very bright, and very successful at poker and other areas. Given this, imagine my surprise when back in mid August you wrote about Wong's Sharp Sports Betting Book and I quote


"I have not yet read it, but I'm not surprised the book is not very good"........MM


Nice job Mason. Someone writes a book that may one day be recognized as being as significant as "Beat the Dealer" and you trash it. Statements like these are not about to enhance your status with your readers since:


1. If you had read the other posters at all clearly, their reviews of the book were favorable 2. The book is cutting edge, and very solid 3. Your own works on the sports subject are at best average. 4. IMO, you shouldn't be reviewing the book, you should be reading it carefully, looking to enhance your knowledge in an area we both know you have given almost no time or focus to.

"Consequently, since many sites won't do this, and we won't accept those ads, you are more likely (but we don't guarantee it) to be safe. "


more likely than what? any random internet sportsbook? any sportsbook that advertises on theprescription or majorwager? any sportsbook that has good reviews by thepresicription or majorwager? any internet sportsbook that advertises elsewhere?


I don't understand your statement. Can you please clarify? (really, not trying to be a hardass, but trying hard to understand your position, and just want a clarification)

Loss rebates are probably correlated with higher rates of dishonesty, but I would not have thought particulary strongly. The truly crooked operation won't even have an affiliate programme since they aren't going to pay anybody ever. Its one factor amongst many I guess.


I know of several reputable books which do practice this method of affiliation. Several people have demonized this approach apart from Mason, including the Gamesmaster and Stanford Wong, but personally I think its splitting hairs, either you take the industry dollar and be damned or you don't.


Some advertisers will actually return part of your losses to you creating interesting arbitrage opportunities.