kidpoker22
12-04-2004, 06:24 PM
This post involves an interesting hand I played a couple of days ago while killing time in a two-table Sit & Go tournament. I'm posting this hand for two reasons.
P.S. to the Intro: Sorry if this post is longer than both volumes of "The Wealth of Nations".
So, here's the backround. I'm killing time in a $50 sit & go on PS before philosophy class on Tues. We're midway through the second level (blinds $15/30) and I'm comfortably situated w/ $2600 chips or so. The player immediately to my right was sitting on a stack of $1100 or so and was generally pretty awful. It became apparent to me that this player had roughly the poker I.Q. of a waffle iron. He made erratic and illogical bets with little regard for value or pot size and was suprisingly timid when pushed.
With one limper, the action gets folded around to WI in the cutoff who makes a raise of 4x the BB ($120). I've got the button and am fortunate enough to get dealt 43, both clubs. For most this would seem like an attomatic fold, but I decided to take a flop. My reasoning is this--I've got position on this player and am pretty certain I can outplay him on the flop. Secondly, if I call, the early position limper will probably come too, creating an OK sized pot for a hand of texture. There is of course also the possibilty that I will flop huge to my hand and win a monster pot off either the limper or the raiser. So, anyway, I call and so does the limper.
The flop comes down J25 rainbow. Well, this wasn't exactly the monster flop I had envisioned, but then again it could be worse. After all, I am open-ended to the nuts which leaves me with a variety of creative plays I can employ if I sense weakness. Unfortunately and to my disgust, when checked to him WI decides to move in for all of his chips (roughly $900 or so).
Well, this is most definately bizzare. I couldn't for the life of me imagine what hand would merit this play this guy. From his previous play, I knew that he would not make this play with a J or probably any pair 5's or higher. He would definately try to extract some kind of value from his hand--even though it would certainly be in his own cooky way. It dawned on me that WI might hold something like AK or AQ, figuring that a jack probably helped neither of us and he could just pick up a nice pot by moving in right there. If this was the case, it would bring an entirely new element to this hand. That would mean that not only would any A or 6 win me the pot, but also any 4 or 3 might just be good too.
Now, by my estimation I have at least 8, but maybe up to 13 outs. Those being any of the three remaining A's (assuming one might be dead in the raiser's hand) any of the four 6's, or any of the three remaining 3 and 4's. I go from behind a 3:1 dog, a prohibitive favorite for calling in this spot to almost being, as Mike Sexton would say, in a coinflip for the pot.
The only problem here is the pot size. There is at this point roughly $1300 in the pot, but I would have to call off about %40 of my remaining $2500. Right now, I'm only getting 1.5:1 to call, which fankly isn't super-duper. I can't imagine that the limper would call here with an all-in raise and a call behind him--even with a J--so the pot's prolly not gonna' get bigger. So, here's my question. Given my stack and odds, how would you proceed (being almost certain that your opponent held AK or AQ or something of that nature)? How would you apply your tournament theory to this call?
Well, after taking all this into consideration and knowing that it probably was not a Mensa caliber play, I went ahead and called. The limper quickly folded and WI turned over the AT of clubs. I was happy he held what I had suspected, but still suspended in trepidation. The turn was a blank and the river was a 3, thus shipping me a $2600 pot with a pair of 3's.
I don't even know if I LOVE my play. I probably could have been patient and busted this guy on a later hand knowing his amentia worthy poker play. I am definately not looking for comments on my pre-flop call. I don't care about that. I'm curious about the play on flop.
So, that's it. Thanks for reading and thanks for your contributions and again appologies for the oppressive length of this post.
KP22
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P.S. to the Intro: Sorry if this post is longer than both volumes of "The Wealth of Nations".
So, here's the backround. I'm killing time in a $50 sit & go on PS before philosophy class on Tues. We're midway through the second level (blinds $15/30) and I'm comfortably situated w/ $2600 chips or so. The player immediately to my right was sitting on a stack of $1100 or so and was generally pretty awful. It became apparent to me that this player had roughly the poker I.Q. of a waffle iron. He made erratic and illogical bets with little regard for value or pot size and was suprisingly timid when pushed.
With one limper, the action gets folded around to WI in the cutoff who makes a raise of 4x the BB ($120). I've got the button and am fortunate enough to get dealt 43, both clubs. For most this would seem like an attomatic fold, but I decided to take a flop. My reasoning is this--I've got position on this player and am pretty certain I can outplay him on the flop. Secondly, if I call, the early position limper will probably come too, creating an OK sized pot for a hand of texture. There is of course also the possibilty that I will flop huge to my hand and win a monster pot off either the limper or the raiser. So, anyway, I call and so does the limper.
The flop comes down J25 rainbow. Well, this wasn't exactly the monster flop I had envisioned, but then again it could be worse. After all, I am open-ended to the nuts which leaves me with a variety of creative plays I can employ if I sense weakness. Unfortunately and to my disgust, when checked to him WI decides to move in for all of his chips (roughly $900 or so).
Well, this is most definately bizzare. I couldn't for the life of me imagine what hand would merit this play this guy. From his previous play, I knew that he would not make this play with a J or probably any pair 5's or higher. He would definately try to extract some kind of value from his hand--even though it would certainly be in his own cooky way. It dawned on me that WI might hold something like AK or AQ, figuring that a jack probably helped neither of us and he could just pick up a nice pot by moving in right there. If this was the case, it would bring an entirely new element to this hand. That would mean that not only would any A or 6 win me the pot, but also any 4 or 3 might just be good too.
Now, by my estimation I have at least 8, but maybe up to 13 outs. Those being any of the three remaining A's (assuming one might be dead in the raiser's hand) any of the four 6's, or any of the three remaining 3 and 4's. I go from behind a 3:1 dog, a prohibitive favorite for calling in this spot to almost being, as Mike Sexton would say, in a coinflip for the pot.
The only problem here is the pot size. There is at this point roughly $1300 in the pot, but I would have to call off about %40 of my remaining $2500. Right now, I'm only getting 1.5:1 to call, which fankly isn't super-duper. I can't imagine that the limper would call here with an all-in raise and a call behind him--even with a J--so the pot's prolly not gonna' get bigger. So, here's my question. Given my stack and odds, how would you proceed (being almost certain that your opponent held AK or AQ or something of that nature)? How would you apply your tournament theory to this call?
Well, after taking all this into consideration and knowing that it probably was not a Mensa caliber play, I went ahead and called. The limper quickly folded and WI turned over the AT of clubs. I was happy he held what I had suspected, but still suspended in trepidation. The turn was a blank and the river was a 3, thus shipping me a $2600 pot with a pair of 3's.
I don't even know if I LOVE my play. I probably could have been patient and busted this guy on a later hand knowing his amentia worthy poker play. I am definately not looking for comments on my pre-flop call. I don't care about that. I'm curious about the play on flop.
So, that's it. Thanks for reading and thanks for your contributions and again appologies for the oppressive length of this post.
KP22
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