Early KK hand. Party 30+3

[Jman28]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO (t1070)
Button (t730)
<font color="C00000">Hero (t2300)</font>
BB (t870)
<font color="C00000">UTG (t755)</font>
UTG+1 (t580)
MP1 (t1005)
MP2 (t690)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t30, <font color="666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t70</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls t40.

Flop: (t170) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t170) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t685 (All-In)</font>, Hero ...

[MercTec]

Easy laydown for me here.

I come out firing around 150 on the flop. Too many draws out there. The turn card sucks. Would you bluff all-in to the big stack early in a tourney? A6 a definite possibility.

I lay down and not worry about the 170 since you still have 2130 and a commanding lead.

[MercTec]

Oh...and I riase more prefop. 90 to go

[Vetstadium]

I raise a lot more to with KK maybe up to 125

[Jman28]

I usually raise to 90 or 100, but with only one player in, and one left to speak, I think I wanted action.

[MercTec]

As a rule I don't change my raise sizes based on the strength of my hand. Too easy to read.

[MercTec]

Without a read on the player, I assume he is a typical party $30 player...so if he calls the BB and you raise to less than 100, i doubt he folds. I wouldnt be surprised to see a player call 150 with a hand like A6 suited.

Regardless, I still fire out on the flop. Board is scary enough to speed up the slowplay.

[morgan180]

I think everyone sympathizes because you look down see KK and then see everyone fold and want action from the remaining players and then get hosed on the flop/turn. I think you just have to raise it to ~100-120 pre-flop.

I think the pre-flop standard raises is a great play as well.

[texasrattlers]

You need to bet more PF, at least 100. And you definately need to bet the flop strong. So, not having done that, you might as well lay your KK down to the re-raise cause he probably has you beat.

I wonder if you would have played this hand the same way if you were mid-stacked rather than having jumped out to the early lead. I think big stacks (myself included) tend to get a little too fancy in their play, as this is the only reasonable explanation for your play PF and flop.

[zephyr]

I'd typically be surprised to see your opponent hold a 6 here. His bet is one that does not want to be called. I think a typical player calls or minraises if they hold the straight. Unfortunately you'll have to be correct here more than 60% of the time if you call. I think it's close though.

As others mentioned, raise it more preflop, and bet the flop.

Zephyr

[MercTec]

If you were a medium size stack...early in a tourney....do you push all in to the big stack that has the table outchipped 2-1 on a bluff?

[zephyr]

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If you were a medium size stack...early in a tourney....do you push all in to the big stack that has the table outchipped 2-1 on a bluff?

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I personally do not, but see people do it all the time. I just don't think the villain holds a 6 here that often, if he did why wouldn't he try to get more value from the hand?

Zephyr

[tigerite]

Definitely raise more preflop, my standard is 3BB + 1BB if there's some limpers to shake, so here it'd be 120. Then definitely bet the hell out of that flop!

[tigerite]

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If you were a medium size stack...early in a tourney....do you push all in to the big stack that has the table outchipped 2-1 on a bluff?

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I personally do not, but see people do it all the time. I just don't think the villain holds a 6 here that often, if he did why wouldn't he try to get more value from the hand?

Zephyr

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If he's a typical fish he's probably worried about being out-drawn, to the flush. Either that or maybe he has two pair, 87?

[Jman28]

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If you were a medium size stack...early in a tourney....do you push all in to the big stack that has the table outchipped 2-1 on a bluff?

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I personally do not, but see people do it all the time. I just don't think the villain holds a 6 here that often, if he did why wouldn't he try to get more value from the hand?

Zephyr

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If he's a typical fish he's probably worried about being out-drawn, to the flush. Either that or maybe he has two pair, 87?

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I didn't think he'd have a 6 here, just because I feel strongly that he'd slowplay it. I couldn't rule out a set however, which was my main concern.

Someone, I forget who, had a point about getting fancy with a big stack, and I think that's what happened here. I knew that my play showed a lot of weakness. I checked the flop in hopes of catching a bluff, and I bet the turn small in hopes of letting Ax fold or catching a bluff raise. I thought that with a flop like that, I wouldn't get much action if I bet out.

I ended up calling, he flips over AJ (no flush draw) and he doesn't improve.

I posted because I was thinking a lot during the hand, and felt that I made the right decision at the time, but now I feel that I'm usually behind here.

Thanks.

-Jman28