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MHarris

12-01-2004, 11:06 AM

Hand 1: Villain is slightly loose-passive preflop, sometimes likes to get tricky postflop. Is the calldown good after the turn c/r?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.66 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB

Hand 2: I feel like I screwed this one up, I'm just not sure where. Villain is a TAG.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, CO calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: (7.16 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

mikeyKay

12-01-2004, 11:17 AM

hand 1:
what can you beat here?
what would make that move?
i think that the only things you can beat are A high, a smaller pocket pair, or a funny OESD making a move.
if you think your opponent would bluff so hard at a pot, then call down, otherwise, it looks like hes just sitting on a Q waiting to make a move when the bets get big.

hand 2:
MP2 3 betting, and being a TAG can only mean a few hands.
AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, maybe KQ or AJ
the flop raise, doesnt let me rule much out.
the turn check makes me think AsQs, or pocket pair below kings.
I think you can call the river enough times for it to be profitable.

on hand 2 do you fold to a turn bet?

-mike

MHarris

12-01-2004, 11:27 AM

Hand 2 I intended to fold to a turn bet.
Also, TT should be a part of that range of 3-betting hands.

mikeyKay

12-01-2004, 11:56 AM

true, forgot about that.

-mike

Noodles

12-01-2004, 12:22 PM

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Hand 2 I intended to fold to a turn bet

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hmm dont know if i could do that heads up without a read

ooops you did have a read he was a TAG, so i would not fold to a turn bet

sthief09

12-01-2004, 12:30 PM

I'd fold hand 1 on the turn. you're beat way more than 79% of the time

I would've just check-folded hand 2. even if he's a TAG, it's unlikely that he'll fold QQ. given the cold caller, I think you also could've capped preflop, but that's debateable.

sthief09

12-01-2004, 12:31 PM

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Hand 2 I intended to fold to a turn bet

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hmm dont know if i could do that heads up without a read

ooops you did have a read he was a TAG, so i would not fold to a turn bet

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OK, so a TAG 3-bets you preflop, then you bet the Kxx flop and he raises, and you intend to call down?

Noodles

12-01-2004, 12:41 PM

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OK, so a TAG 3-bets you preflop, then you bet the Kxx flop and he raises, and you intend to call down?

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whats to say he doesnt have a smaller pair than you,he couldve raised the flop to test whether you have a k,when the hero didnt raise back it could mean AQ,AJ,AT,
i dont think his flop reraise means you are beat

sthief09

12-01-2004, 12:43 PM

preflop 3-bet + flop raise = you're beat too often to call

Fat Nicky

12-01-2004, 01:06 PM

Hand 1: Fold the turn.

Hand 2: Cap pre-flop. Besides that, I like leading the flop and sice the turn checked through, definitly call the river bet. You're good here getting 8-1.

MikeyObviously

12-01-2004, 01:42 PM

The first one I think is a very easy fold on the turn.

The second one...its up to you on the flop as to how he plays, but after the turn check and no spade you have to call the river, as it looks like you were freecarded