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Fat Nicky
11-30-2004, 12:24 PM
UTG+2 seems solid
MP2 is slightly loose and passive.
CO is a LAG
Button is slightly loose and aggressive.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $3.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero (poster) 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (15.33 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (9.66 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero ????

Fat Nicky
11-30-2004, 02:03 PM
Comments anyone?

kendal14
11-30-2004, 04:45 PM
Well, I pretty much toss it here. Depending on how your read on the CO, I am guessing Kx. Plus you still have UTG+2 to act who was the oringal PF raiser. I don't think my hand is good here and only one 1.5 outs (two queens, but drawing dead against a slow played KK from UTG+2... though I don't get KK from anyone here). My $.02.

mistrpug
11-30-2004, 04:56 PM
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Turn: (9.66 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero ????

[/ QUOTE ]

Hero cusses loudly.

Then folds. I don't think there's much chance you're ahead.

Moyer
11-30-2004, 04:59 PM
You're beat, but I don't think calling down is that bad, especially against LAG. He may just be trying to pick off a bluff.

UTG+2 is either chasing an ace or calling down w/ JJ, TT, 99, etc.

Fat Nicky
11-30-2004, 05:47 PM
Ok, I folded, and I did not have the best hand. But after looking at the hand, and not trying to be results oriented, I wondered about this fold. No one raised the flop, and the turn raise came from and aggressive player with trips on the board. The solid player in the hand has just called along.

Getting ~13-1 on my turn call and assuming to see a showdown I am getting ~8-1, (assuming I call the turn and check/call the river and no one else raises), calling this down may work out to +EV in the long run. I also might have no idea what I'm talking about /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Like I said, I folded, UTG+2 called the turn and check/called the river.

UTG+2 had AA
LAG had K7

Not what I expected to see from UTG+1 whom at the time, I though was a solid player.

kendal14
11-30-2004, 07:21 PM
Well, did UTG+2 at least cap the turn?

I would have expected a cap preflop, but I do not think his flop play was TOO bad. He may have been praying (and it worked) that someone had the K and would do just what CO did on the turn allowing him to cap the turn and lead the river for a value bet.