Is this what they mean by fearing the redraw?

[radek2166]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, BB folds.

I bet here? UTG+1 and MP1 will call anything for 2 or more bets preflop.

The question here is do I wait til the turn to pop them? if no scare cards come. I am haveing problemes with this concept. walk me thur it like I am a 3 year old please.

[Shillx]

I don't get what you are saying. This hands looks perfect so far...

Shill

[JDErickson]

No

Not with this board. Way to scary to let people draw cheap or free. I would bet out. They will expect you to bet anyway. A check may be disastrous.

[sin808]

I'm not sure if I'm clear on what you're asking. You want to know if it would be better to check- and possibly give a free card to someone who is drawing to a hand that beats you?

[SlantNGo]

Any thought of going for a check/raise here hoping that MP1 or MP2 bets? With 5 players in, someone surely must have gotten a piece of this board, whether it's a pair, or a T or a flush draw.

But I think I bet.

[milesdyson]

This is a joke.

[Nick C]

I look at it this way: You're the one with a redraw (to a boat or quads) if someone hits a straight or flush on the turn.

Of course, a straight is possible already. But I would lead the flop. Even if I'm already up against a straight, it's not so bad as I'll end up with a boat or better about a third of the time. (If I'm behind and 3 people stay in, I'm betting my draw for value. But I'm probably not behind, though it is true I could easily fall behind on the turn.)

When I see a flop like this and I have JJ, what I'm thinking is that I probably have both the best hand and the best draw.

[radek2166]

Their is a section in SSHE about redraws and fearing them. the hand gets way better.

I am just trying to understand when I am valerable to the redraw. Is it with just one pair?

[radek2166]

Turn: (7.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls.

I am actully suprised that UTG+1 folded here

[Shillx]

I hope you were playing on a bad beat jackpot table...

Shill

[Nick C]

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I am just trying to understand when I am valerable to the redraw. Is it with just one pair?

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A card that improves your hand on the turn can sometimes give someone else a draw to a better hand (such as a straight or flush). And, yes, I think this possibility most frequently comes up when you have one pair on the flop.

In the hand in question, if the 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif fell on the turn, you'd have a boat and would have pulled ahead of anyone who flopped a straight but would be up against a redraw (to a straight flush) if someone held, say Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.

[radek2166]

[ QUOTE ]
A card that improves your hand on the turn can sometimes give someone else a draw to a better hand (such as a straight or flush). And, yes, I think this possibility most frequently comes up when you have one pair on the flop.


[/ QUOTE ]

Thank you very very much.

[Entity]

Steve,

Fearing the redraw is the reason I often won't continue to play A/images/graemlins/heart.gif7/images/graemlins/heart.gif against multiple limpers when bet into on a 5/images/graemlins/club.gif7/images/graemlins/club.gif8/images/graemlins/spade.gif board.

Rob

[radek2166]

River: (13.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

[Shillx]

Quads Vs. Straight Flush. Were you at a Party Jackpot table???

Shill

[Goon2]

You played this right. So your opponent hit his one out. A 22.5:1 shot. It happenes. After you've lit yourself on fire, realize you played this right, forget about it and play it the same way next time.

[Hack]

He's going to friggin kick himself if he wasn't. I doubt it otherwise he probably wouldn't have posted this, and he would have posted something about how he won the jackpot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[radek2166]

I was not at a bad beat JP table. I will post the results later.

Does anyone play this differant?

[Goon2]

You have QUADS. QUADS!

QUADS!

People are betting into your QUADS!

I don't see how you can slow down.

[meep_42]

Where are the Bad Beat Police?

-d

[radek2166]

<font color="purple">
Hero has Jc Jh (four of a kind, jacks).
MP1 has 9h Qh (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins 21.25 BB. </font>