Too weak with QQ?

[Lmn55d]

Should I have pushed preflop? I thought there was a good chance I was behind or in a coinflip situation b/c of his min raise.



***** Hand History for Game 1235570823 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:7516315 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, November 28, 21:51:50 EDT 2004
Table Table 12951 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: HarryHood ( $955 )
Seat 6: fire123 ( $1505 )
Seat 4: twrichey34 ( $1675 )
Seat 8: cookie122 ( $925 )
Seat 5: elf11298 ( $730 )
Seat 2: smokey0923 ( $930 )
Seat 3: lukey31 ( $1295 )
Seat 7: catjf ( $985 )
Seat 9: mindynddave ( $1000 )
Trny:7516315 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HarryHood [ Qs Qc ]
cookie122 calls [15].
mindynddave folds.
HarryHood raises [80].
smokey0923 raises [145].
lukey31 folds.
twrichey34 folds.
elf11298 folds.
fire123 folds.
catjf folds.
cookie122 calls [130].
>You have options at Table 14535 Table!.
HarryHood calls [65].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Ac, 7s ]
cookie122 checks.
>You have options at Table 12906 Table!.
HarryHood checks.
smokey0923 bets [125].
cookie122 calls [125].
HarryHood folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
cookie122 checks.
smokey0923 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
cookie122 bets [30].
smokey0923 calls [30].
>You have options at Table 12906 Table!.
cookie122 shows [ Jd, Js ] two pairs, jacks and nines.
smokey0923 doesn't show [ 8d, 8h ] two pairs, nines and eights.
cookie122 wins 770 chips from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and nines.

[captZEEbo1]

I usually push QQ and deal with losing to overpair...

At my limited 50 dollar buyin experience, I find min reraises are very rarely KK or AA, although sometimes AK.

[tigerite]

Yes, push. But once on that flop, bet it out, represent the ace. You were the first better after all. Only if you get re-raised should you fold here!

[Jason Strasser]

Lmn55d,

There was a limp, then you raised, and then a person behind you mini-raised. I can not comment to you on what exactly the range of hands the person you are playing would do this with, but it obviously depends on the texture of the game you are playing and your perceptions on the opponent. Often, this line is how a very bad player will play a premium hand. So I do not think a call preflop (versus a raise all-in) is a very bad thing. Often times this min-raise crap is an invitation for you to safely play QQ like 22 and profitably (with implied odds) see a flop for set value only. Of course, whether you play QQ like 22 in this spot depends on the factors I listed above which are inherent to the game you are in. Your decision to push or not preflop should come down to the range of hands your opponent will play like this.

The point is, I do think you need to make a fairly big decision heading into the flop. This does not mean you have to decide if you like your hand, but you have to have some sort of plan for the flop.

If the flop is all uncoordinated small cards, do you feel comfortable committing all your chips? If the flop involves an overcard or two, what will your plan be? Sort all this out before you see the flop, but of course you are definitely allowed to change this plan as you react to the moves of the players on the flop.

But all this stuff I just said really doesn't mean a whole lot, because if your plan involves continuing the hand after an ace flops, and there is a bet and a call in front of you, then I think you need to reevaluate your thinking skills. Stop thinking like a beginner and being results oriented, and formulate an idea about how you want to approach hands and go with those ideas, instead of saying "aww damn I would've won this pot if i had stayed in!"

-Jason