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11-28-2004, 07:28 PM
Two hands from tonight. A pretty uncertain part of my game has been figuring out what to do with big pairs against aggression -- not only are they hard to lay down in of themselves, but usually the pot is pretty huge and laying good odds.
I'd appreciate some feedback on whether I could have taken a better line anywhere, or if the play was standard.
Hand 1: Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (24 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.
The defining point in this hand is probably Hero's action here. A raise essentially pumps the pot to the point that I'm tied to seeing a showdown, whereas folding leaves a bad taste in my mouth with the large pot. Would a flat call be better? At the time this seemed like either raise or fold.
Turn: (21 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.
River: (25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds...
Final Pot: 32 BB
Fold the first time around? Call? I'm pretty sure I'm not best here anymore.
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[b]Hand 2: Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls.
This differs from hand 1 in that it's only a single bet to me this time. I assume a raise is standard here?
Turn: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.
River: (14 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 20 BB
[b]Fold the first or second times around? Both were crying calls ... the second seems more egregious than the first.
I'd appreciate some feedback on whether I could have taken a better line anywhere, or if the play was standard.
Hand 1: Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (24 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.
The defining point in this hand is probably Hero's action here. A raise essentially pumps the pot to the point that I'm tied to seeing a showdown, whereas folding leaves a bad taste in my mouth with the large pot. Would a flat call be better? At the time this seemed like either raise or fold.
Turn: (21 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.
River: (25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds...
Final Pot: 32 BB
Fold the first time around? Call? I'm pretty sure I'm not best here anymore.
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[b]Hand 2: Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls.
This differs from hand 1 in that it's only a single bet to me this time. I assume a raise is standard here?
Turn: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.
River: (14 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 20 BB
[b]Fold the first or second times around? Both were crying calls ... the second seems more egregious than the first.