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mart_ph

11-27-2004, 08:41 AM

No decent reads on my opponents as yet. I don't normally play KQo this early in the game, but I had one of those feelings that says 'go ahead and limp and see what happens'.

Paradise Poker $5 No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t985.00)
SB (t990.00)
BB (t1425.00)
UTG (t925.00)
UTG+1 (t540.00)
Hero (t990.00)
MP1 (t1110.00)
MP2 (t935.00)
MP3 (t1115.00)
CO (t985.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of t5.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t20, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, 2 folds, BB calls t10.

Flop: (t125) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t10, Hero raises to t120, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t110.

Turn: (t365) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t220, UTG+1 calls t220.

River: (t805) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t805
Main Pot: t805 (t805), between UTG+1 and Hero. > Pot won by UTG+1 (t805).

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Ah 3h (two pair, aces and threes).
Hero has Kd Qh (one pair, queens).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t805.

hyde

11-27-2004, 10:21 AM

Identify "feeling" that induced playing KQo this early.
Next time "feeling" shows it's ugly head, respond by folding.

For what it is worth, UTG1 has bigger "feeling" problems than yours.

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hyde

mart_ph

11-27-2004, 11:36 AM

I can't quantify what 'feeling' actually means. Just one of those things. 99.99999% of time I would fold this, but seeing as it was played I think it's still possible to analyse the play after that point.

You're right though - I don't think anything would have got rid of the other guy's feeling!

tiger7210

11-27-2004, 12:26 PM

I think you played this fine. You just got chased down by a fish. The check on the end was good with the scare card and it had to be difficult putting him on any kind of hand that he would be smooth calling you with.

Drunken Monkey

11-27-2004, 12:46 PM

Just to set me straight, what is smooth calling. Is then when you call a raise and close the action?

Biff M.

11-27-2004, 12:49 PM

I believe it is calling the blind and a raise in the same action, also known as cold-calling. Correct me if I'm wrong /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Or maybe not, judging by the sentence it was used in. Maybe it's calling on both streets then, without showing any strength with raising.

poboy

11-27-2004, 03:32 PM

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I believe it is calling the blind and a raise in the same action, also known as cold-calling. Correct me if I'm wrong /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Or maybe not, judging by the sentence it was used in. Maybe it's calling on both streets then, without showing any strength with raising.

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Cold calling and smooth calling are two different terms. Cold calling is calling a bet or raise when you haven't put any money in the pot yet. Smooth calling is calling a bet or raise when you have a made hand instead of raising, also known as letting your opponent bet your hand for you.

As for the hand in question, I think you played it fine. I'm kinda curious as to why you wouldn't normally play this?
If I can get in cheap I always play KQ, it's certainly not a monster hand but it is at the upper end of good hands.

Voltron87

11-27-2004, 03:39 PM

At this point in the tournament I would make a tight fold. Even if you're not dominated and no one has an ace, you're out of position and you could be playing against 4 or more hands. Even if a K or Q comes you have to defend a hand which might be in serious trouble from out of position against a lot of drawing hands. It's not that you're behind in the hand, it is just not a profitable situation early in the SNG.

Virox

11-27-2004, 03:48 PM

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I'm kinda curious as to why you wouldn't normally play this? If I can get in cheap I always play KQ, it's certainly not a monster hand but it is at the upper end of good hands.

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Even if it's one of the better hands it's not good enough to play in early postition at a full table, too many things can go wrong.

If you asked around you could probably find winning players on this forum who is folding AQo in this position (but I am not one of them /images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Voltron87

11-27-2004, 03:55 PM

I'm not a fold AQ early guy either, but too many things go wrong with KQ early against multiple players. You will lose a sizeable amount of chips more often than you will win some.

As for AQ I do not fold it, but raising big with AK or AQ(100-150) has fallen out of favor in my mind, esp in early position.

mart_ph

11-27-2004, 05:26 PM

I wouldn't play the hand for all the reason's stated by other contributers to this thread.

poboy

11-27-2004, 09:13 PM

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I wouldn't play the hand for all the reason's stated by other contributers to this thread.

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I think this is a bit weak-tight. If you can get away from the hand when it's beat it is very profitable. Early on is when you will find fish willing to call you down with crap like Kx or Ace high. When the flop comes K or Q high you are almost always ahead, if you get sucked out on so be it. Any hand(including AQ) you play can be sucked out on, but you can't fold everything and win. AQ and TT-22 are all very similar strength wise to KQ and you wouldn't fold those hands would you? I wouldn't call a 3xBB with those hands ,but in a cheap pot I want to see a flop. JMO