Raising standards... 8 questions

[Guido]

Hi all,

I was going through my database and I found some hand that's I'm losing with which I raise sometimes in certain positions. Now I've only got about 117K hands shorthanded but I would like to know what you do. Give some % about raise/call/fold.

1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button

I know these are all close situations but I would like to know what you do in general.

Thanks,

Guido

[Trix]

1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1
-I fold this most of the time.
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o
-Same, conditions have to be very good for this imo, its a little better than 1 I think.
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o
-I´m autoraising it atm.
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo
-Almost allways a raise.
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo
-Used to autoraise, now I´m folding it a fair amount.
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo
-raise
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button
Depends on limper and blinds, but call or raise.
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button
Same, but call more often than 7.

I´m not really crushing the game, so this is just what I do, right or wrong..

[helpmeout]

1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1 - fold
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o - raise usually
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o - raise
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo - fold
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo - fold
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo - fold
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button - limp
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button - limp

I tend to stay away from Q high and J high type hands with my steals because they have little showdown value when you both miss.

[ALL1N]

I raise them all.

[Gazza]

[ QUOTE ]
1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button


[/ QUOTE ]

This is what I do. I am not sure I would have given all the same answers if I hadn't checked my stats

1) raise 70 fold 30
2) raise 20 fold 80
3) raise 80 fold 20
4) raise 90 fold 10
5) raise 50 fold 50
6) raise 70 fold 30
7) raise 100
8) raise 100

Gazza

[kiddo]

U winning with K9o and JTo from CO? At which level?

K9o I can understand but JTo I dont like at all, if flop misses u are in bad shape.

I would also fold A9o UTG+1, but rest I would raise, sometimes limp with JTs after 2 limpers but I like raising, often giving me a freecard if I need one.

[FishyWhale]

I´m a winning player at 10/20, but my preflop requirements are loser than that of other winning 2+2ers (as has become apparent by another thread). Knowing that... I raise all of them.

[ALL1N]

[ QUOTE ]
U winning with K9o and JTo from CO? At which level?


[/ QUOTE ]

Playing 10/20. I've only got 30k hands, so I've only openraised K9o and JTo about 30 times each from the cutoff; obviously nothing to go on.

I am more LAG than most here though. My ASB is 39.0%.

I'll post all my stats when I get to 50k or so.

[joker122]

I'll assume party 10/20...

1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1
--fold
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o
--fold
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o
--raise
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo
--fold
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo
--fold
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo
--raise
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button
--raise
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button
--call

[imitation]

Party 5/10

1. Fold
2. Raise
3. Raise
4. Raise
5. Raise
6. Raise
7. Raise
8. Call

[Jeff W]

I would:

Fold 1,5.
Raise 2,3,4.
Call 7,8.

[Peter_rus]

1-3 Raise
4,5- Muck
6-Raise
7,8-Call

[Grisgra]

I'll just give the percentages and save the context for the rare case in which anyone is interested /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1
Raise 85%, limp 5%, fold 10%
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o
Raise 90%, fold 10%
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o
Raise 90%, fold 10%
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo
Raise 75%, fold 25%
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo
Raise 70%, fold 30%
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo
Raise 90%, fold 10%
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button
Raise 80%, limp 20%
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button
Limp 90%, raise 10%

I'm very interested to see what others think about #8. The others are pretty standard I think, and the only way I won't go with the percentage play is if I am running poorly/need an image change.

[BugsBunny]

I'll go along with these just about the way they are, including #8.

In general I'll raise less from the BT since I already have position. I'd be more likely to raise the JTs from the CO (following 2 limpers) to try and buy the BT, and possibly knock out the blinds. If they come along that's OK as well. I now have a raised pot with a good multi-way hand.

It's a hand that plays well in a shorthanded game, as long as you're carefull postflop.

[Schneids]

I almost always raise all of them.

I might fold A9o in UTG+1, and if my steal attempts have went awry I'll fold K8o on the button.

To the people that fold JTo and QTo: flopping high pairs has tremendous value HU. As does fold equity your flop bets can receive on A-high flops. It seems ridiculously tight to me to even think about folding these hands from the CO or button instead of opening with them.

[flawless_victory]

[ QUOTE ]
Party 5/10

1. Fold
2. Raise
3. Raise
4. Raise
5. Raise
6. Raise
7. Raise
8. Call

[/ QUOTE ]i am the same

[Grisgra]

Is the raise of JTs in the CO/button after two limpers purely a raise-for-value thing? Buy yourself a card on the flop thing? Both?

What do you do with JTo in this spot?

[Rizen]

[ QUOTE ]
Hi all,

I was going through my database and I found some hand that's I'm losing with which I raise sometimes in certain positions. Now I've only got about 117K hands shorthanded but I would like to know what you do. Give some % about raise/call/fold.

1) UTG folds and you have A9o in UTG+1
2) Folded to you in CO with K9o
3) Folded to you at the button with K8o
4) Folded to you in CO with QTo
5) Folded to you in CO with JTo
6) Folded to you at the button with JTo
7) 1 limper and you have JTs at the button
8) 2 limpers and you have JTs at the button

I know these are all close situations but I would like to know what you do in general.

Thanks,

Guido

[/ QUOTE ]

1 is table dependant, 50/50 raise/fold
2-7 are raise
8 I call

-Rizen

[Guy McSucker]

I just checked my database and I am losing with all of these from all positions.

Can I conclude that I suck yet?

Guy.

[Trix]

how many do you have of each and have you excluded the blinds ?

[fsuplayer]

w/o looking at the other replies:

1)fold
2)raise about 60%, fold the rest.
3)raise
4)raise
5)raise 50%
6)raise
7)raise 60%
8)call

now let's see how I did

[fsuplayer]

It seems ridiculously tight to me to even think about folding these hands from the CO or button instead of opening with them.

Yeah, would you guys fold these in a ring game if it was folded to you? i hope not.

btw-happy b day to schneids and joker!