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TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 12:33 AM

So I get bored and decide to take a shot at Party 15/30. The following madness ensues....

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $15.
4 folds, MP3 raises, CO (poster) 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, CO raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP3 folds, CO caps, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (17.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, CO calls $50 (All-In), Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

River: (27.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 35.50 BB
Main Pot: 25.50 BB, between CO, Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB (25.50 BB).
Pot 2: 10 BB, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB (10 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Ah (three of a kind, aces).
BB has 5d 3d (straight, six high).
CO has 6c Jc (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: BB wins 35.50 BB. 

This should've made me smash my entire house up until I realized that these 15/30 games have to be ridiculously profitable. Hmm, I still don't know WTF to think about this.

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 12:37 AM

Before any says it, my grammar is wrong on the thread title, sue me. I'm not sure I really have a point to posting this and I know people hate bad beat posts, but the rage I felt after this (taking a stab at a higher limit) had be really going. Obviously this is super LAG, but are the 15/30 games on party in general any good? I mean you flop Trip Aces with a backdoor nut flush draw and a bunch of rags on the board and you have be feeling good when you get beaten by a gutshot, right? Damn this pot was over $1,000

thirddan

11-25-2004, 12:40 AM

you played the hand and you still don't know if the party 15/30 is good? Did you check the results yet? hmmmmmm...

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 12:43 AM

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you played the hand and you still don't know if the party 15/30 is good? Did you check the results yet? hmmmmmm...

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Yeah I guess that answers my question. God the variance at this level is insane I'd imagine though. The worst part of this hand was I saw the river as a complete blank and figured I still had the nuts and was thinking WTF does everyone else on this table have that they want to lose to me with? Then the pot goes his way and I was literally inches from punching out a window /images/graemlins/smile.gif I love how this was capped before it even got to me pre-flop....

brandon

11-25-2004, 12:44 AM

Once you get past the BB's horrible preflop play, his plays werent all that bad. He didnt have the 11-1 odds for his gutshot, but was close with his implied odds.

pokerkai

11-25-2004, 12:44 AM

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you played the hand and you still don't know if the party 15/30 is good? Did you check the results yet? hmmmmmm...

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Yeah I guess that answers my question. God the variance at this level is insane I'd imagine though. The worst part of this hand was I saw the river as a complete blank and figured I still had the nuts and was thinking WTF does everyone else on this table have that they want to lose to me with? Then the pot goes his way and I was literally inches from punching out a window /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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You pretty much had the stone cold nuts...
My monitor woulda been out the window pretty damn quick tho. Kudos to you.

bisonbison

11-25-2004, 12:45 AM

It happens.

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 12:47 AM

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Once you get past the BB's horrible preflop play, his plays werent all that bad. He didnt have the 11-1 odds for his gutshot, but was close with his implied odds.

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Not when you discount him to at best 3.5 outs due to the flush (and my re-draw, but he didn't know about that).

Zetack

11-25-2004, 12:51 AM

yeah, if he ignores the flush draw he's in decent shape with his post-flop calls.

Figure 32-3 on his flop call and 21.5-2 on his turn call. Course if you factor in the flush draw and the possibility of raises behind him after his call it doesn't look as good.

But he shouldn't have been in the hand at all. Even for .5/1.00 that's pretty damn bad (but...but...they were soooooted!!!! and I was in the big blind!!!).

Rough, really rough.

--Zetack

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 12:53 AM

Hey you gotta give that to him. They were sooted...

joker122

11-25-2004, 01:07 AM

Hands like this are bittersweet, although this one's really bitter. But you played perfectly and your opponents played terribly...what more can you ask for?

jediael

11-25-2004, 01:13 AM

Just call the river raise and save yourself some money

joker122

11-25-2004, 01:15 AM

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I mean you flop Trip Aces with a backdoor nut flush draw

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BD nut flush draw?

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 01:18 AM

I have the ace of hearts... If my opponent draws out to a flush draw on the turn, I have a re-draw to a full-house and to a bigger flush...

Thoughts on calling river?

joker122

11-25-2004, 01:23 AM

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I have the ace of hearts

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I'm an idiot.

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Thoughts on calling river?

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Are you serious?

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 01:52 AM

Hey, someone mentioned it, so I thought I'd see if anyone had comments. Obviously, I thought there was no way in hell I wasn't going to cap every round.

pokerkai

11-25-2004, 01:52 AM

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Thoughts on calling river?

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If it was uncapped on the river, id probably go 7bets before i decide that this guy is a retard and i hafta give him credit for 35.

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 01:58 AM

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Thoughts on calling river?

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If it was uncapped on the river, id probably go 7bets before i decide that this guy is a retard and i hafta give him credit for 35.

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LOL! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

joker122

11-25-2004, 01:59 AM

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If it was uncapped on the river, id probably go 7bets before i decide that this guy is a retard and i hafta give him credit for 35.

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That would be overplaying really bad. Look at the action...he's just been calling the whole way. If he was going nuts on the earlier streets than you could put him on a set and go multiple bets on the river.

StellarWind

11-25-2004, 02:06 AM

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If it was uncapped on the river, id probably go 7bets before i decide that this guy is a retard and i hafta give him credit for 35.

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BB has checked twice and called four times since the flop. Now the 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif hits and suddenly he loves his hand.

You *know* he's done something terrible, it's just a question of what.

The straight is not runner-runner. Your hand is no surprise to anyone after two checkraises and a turn cap. I'd be very unhappy when I saw the river 4-bet. I certainly wouldn't think I had 2-1 odds necessary to test my hope that I wasn't raising against the nuts.

kyro

11-25-2004, 02:21 AM

i'm gonna take a stab here and say of bison's 5000 posts, about 1000 of them contain only the words "it happens."

and yes, i wish i

1) was decent at poker
2) had a bankroll for the 15/30 at party

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 03:23 AM

I have re-affirmed my belief that this level must be profitable.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.66 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.83 BB
Main Pot: 8.83 BB, between MP2 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (8.83 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Kh 9d (high card, king).
Hero has Jh Qc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.83 BB. 

The only problem is I wish I had a bigger bankroll... I really am taking a stab and if I run bad will have to drop down.

sthief09

11-25-2004, 10:39 AM

The only problem is I wish I had a bigger bankroll... I really am taking a stab and if I run bad will have to drop down.

that doesn't sound so good. if you don't have 300 BB you should probably drop down immediately

AceHigh

11-25-2004, 11:21 AM

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The only problem is I wish I had a bigger bankroll... I really am taking a stab and if I run bad will have to drop down.

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You will run bad at 15/30 at some point, so don't cash out until you build up your bankroll.

TheMetetron

11-25-2004, 03:21 PM

Like, I said, I'm taking a stab /images/graemlins/smile.gif Yeah, if I even have a few bad sessions I will have to drop down. Luckily, my first day was a +$1000 day so I bought myself a little extra time at least. I'm almost at 200BB which is severely underfunded, but if I don't hit a bad streak should be enough. We shall see... and no I don't intend on cashing out until my bankroll is at least 300BB.

Tosh

11-25-2004, 03:26 PM

I don't like your limp here. I'd probably fold, but raise against a terrible limper.

Tosh

11-25-2004, 03:26 PM

Good luck with your shot, but I would SERIOUSLY recommend upgraded your won't cashout till over 300 to at least 400.