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mblax10
11-24-2004, 07:31 PM
$5 Multi on Stars. This is the 2nd hand of the tournament, I have no previous experience with anybody at my table. BB could have almost any 2 cards, not to mention I have no idea what the players behind me could have.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed)

saw flop

CO (t1500)
Button (t1440)
SB (t1240)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1820)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls t20, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t80) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t120, Hero ?

adanthar
11-24-2004, 07:40 PM
BB sure loves his hand. Minraise (which, thanks to the BB's giant bet, is more than enough to make a draw...well, in a $5, he's not folding, but who cares) and let him go all in and hang himself.

VinnyTheFish
11-24-2004, 07:45 PM
I also agree. This is a rough flop for you set. The last thing I want is the BB raising when the flop shouts str8!

I still re-reaise but near 3 times his bet, maybe $360, probably $400 so that he fold.

You're still near T1000. If he goes all-in, you pick your gamble. Call and hope he's without a higher set, a straight.

tiger7210
11-24-2004, 07:48 PM
You definitely reraise him here to at least get heads up. Early in a tournment, a flop with rags, good spot for the BB to be stealing figuring you missed the flop. He may have a hit a pair, be betting the flush draw, straight draw, or if you're lucky hit 2 pair.

Smooth calling behind him is too dangerous with both a straight draw and flush draw on the board.

I think a raise in the neighborhood of 300 is about right to make a call on a draw incorrect.

Obviously you would love for him to reraise you so you can push with only 3 hands that are currently ahead of you. If the turn card is a blank and he bets into you I think you push, if he checks 2/3 the pot is sufficient to make him pay to see the river unless your happy winning the pot right here then push.

I prefer to make it wrong for him to call and take my chances that he sucks out on me to capitalize when I've hit my hard. This could be a great spot to double up if he has TPTK or even 2 pair.

stabn
11-24-2004, 10:26 PM
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Obviously you would love for him to reraise you so you can push with only 3 hands that are currently ahead of you.

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Mini nit...Good point overall, but it's 99, 77 T8 85. 8J/J4/84 aren't too bad off either, 1-5.1.

augie00
11-24-2004, 10:58 PM
You can't miniraise. Make it 400 to go or just call and try to play a small pot. All-in isn't bad but I prefer to make a raise to 400 because you can get away if you don't improve and feel you're beat.

nsj
11-24-2004, 10:59 PM
Raise it to 400-500 to isolate.
If he pushes, I call 99% of the time.
If he calls and the turn isn't a 5, 8, or T, I also push.

mblax10
11-25-2004, 12:23 AM
Thanks to all who responded, maybe this one wasn't as tough as I thought. I played the flop pretty close to how you all suggested. Here are the results:

Flop: (t80) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets t120</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t400</font>, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB calls t280.

Turn: (t880) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets t500</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: t1380
<font color="green">Main Pot: t880 (t880), won by Hero.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t500 (t500), returned to Hero.</font>

No showdown. Hero wins t1380.

I'm not sure if my turn bet was good. I felt if I move-in he's folding (a better hand probably would've moved in on the coordinated flop). A smaller bet after the large flop bet, looks like I'm begging for a call. If I check behind, I don't know if I'll recieve any action on the river as a result.

adanthar
11-25-2004, 04:52 AM
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I'm not sure if my turn bet was good. I felt if I move-in he's folding (a better hand probably would've moved in on the coordinated flop). A smaller bet after the large flop bet, looks like I'm begging for a call. If I check behind, I don't know if I'll recieve any action on the river as a result.

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Upsides to betting:
-Prevent a lone 9 from hitting a 4 outer
-98 may still call even on this turn

Downsides:
-A lone flush or straight draw now probably folds
-A9 and worse probably folds

Given that, I would check the turn and take my chances.

woodguy
11-25-2004, 11:12 AM
Unless he was on 99, 97,77 or 67 (97 being the only reasonable one of the bunch given how he has played), this turn is merry christmas for you.

Now you want the straights and flushes to hit on the river so you can take their whole stack, you need to check the turn.

Your turn check may also make it look like you were trying to buy the pot on flop and now that its failed, you are trying to get out cheap, so he may bluff the river.

You really only really fear a 9 (if he has one) or a 7 (if he has one or a 9) or a 6 (if he has a 7). These are all pretty thin outs so you can let the river card come for free without alot of fear.

Regards,
Woodguy

tigerite
11-25-2004, 11:20 AM
I doubt he'd fear a 6, it'd give him quads, LOL

woodguy
11-25-2004, 12:02 PM
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I doubt he'd fear a 6, it'd give him quads, LOL


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Opps.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Regards,
Woodguy