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x2ski

11-24-2004, 02:00 AM

Given the flop action, how would you have reacted on the turn?

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UTG+2 is pretty darn solid, while MP2 is completely loose passive:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11.33 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.66 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (21.66 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, UTG+2 raises, MP2 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 29.66 BB

Sidekick

11-24-2004, 02:12 AM

If UTG+2 is pretty darn solid then there are really only 3 hands I'd put him on given the preflop action, either TT, JJ or AK.

If MP2 is loose-passive then he could be on a huge range of hands. Given the way he came out betting I'd say Q9 would be most likely.

Given your reads I probably would have folded on the turn the first time the betting came around to me. When a loose-passive raises twice on a hand (once on the flop and again on the turn), then I have to think I'm badly beaten.

It's probably weak tight, but I don't like it when a really passive bettor keeps raising. Past experience indicates they have the nuts or very close to it.

x2ski

11-24-2004, 02:26 AM

I was kind of overwhelmed on the turn... sort of like a mini "one-hand only" semi-tilt... I try to avoid that.

ErrantNight

11-24-2004, 02:29 AM

a darn solid and a loose passive going absolutely ape-[censored]? i think that sounds like a recipe for bread. kneed for 5 minutes by carefully folding in the edges.

x2ski

11-24-2004, 02:33 AM

When?

ErrantNight

11-24-2004, 02:42 AM

on the turn when it comes to you... it looks to me like you're optimistically hoping for a Q and a chop in a really sunny sorta perspective... or the ever elusive "two card river" whichon a king AND an ace fall simultaneously, proceed to kick the crap out of turn, and look around threateningly asking if anyone else wants a piece, huh? HUH?!?

Grease

11-24-2004, 02:45 AM

What about UTG+1 having AQ and flopping the nut straight. That's the only logical thing I can put him on. If he's going to town on a loose passive like that, he's got the nuts. I would hope.

x2ski

11-24-2004, 02:48 AM

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or the ever elusive "two card river" whichon a king AND an ace fall simultaneously, proceed to kick the crap out of turn, and look around threateningly asking if anyone else wants a piece, huh? HUH?!?

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Yer damn skippy!

jclin

11-24-2004, 03:06 AM

PF:Pretty darn solid = A /images/graemlins/diamond.gifQ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif can still be enough for a raise, and enough not to 4-bet. Loose passive most likely doesn't have q9, that is too weak for a 2-bet call.

Flop: If 2 players go into a raising war with 3 cards 10 or above on the board, and I have your situation, I call the 2-bet, but not the 4-bet. Reason: You have 4 obvious outs (i.e. 4 Q's), but backdoor flush or one of your two opps holding a Q probably kills one out, so say 3 outs. Hitting A, then K is also probable, but small. 44:3 = 15:1 odds. So, if you 4-bet called, your 2 BB bets to probably win 30 in the end. Ah, but is it 30? No, b/c you'll probably split. Time to bail at 2-bet call at flop. It is all about POT ODDS and IMPLIED POT ODDS.

Definitely do not 3-bet on flop. You gain much more info when solid player 3-bets. Given the situation, I would probably have called the 4-bet if loose passive made it so, but that would be b/c I wouldn't have thought it through like above. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

If I had to guess what loose passive had, it would be KJ suited or AQ unsuited.

Last note: it truly is all about the outs. If your AK was suited, and one came on the board, 4-bet call would be ok on flop. In addition, 4-bet call on turn might be possible too if you are now 4-flushed. That situation is worth looking at, but I think I've fried my brain enough.