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L0QTiS

11-23-2004, 03:21 AM

Hand 1

Reads: BB: Maniac, MP2 + CO Fishy
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB bets, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP2 caps, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (16.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB bets, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (28.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 34.25 BB
Main Pot: 34.25 BB, between MP2, CO and Hero.

Hand 2

Reads: UTG+2 uberfish

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+2 caps, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (27.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 34.75 BB
Main Pot: 34.75 BB, between UTG+2, Hero and BB.

I think I overplayed both hands. Comments apprieciated.

the_rookie

11-23-2004, 03:35 AM

Hi, L0QTiS

Hand #1. I think you played this well.

Hand #2. I'm not to hip with the lingo about an uberfish, but I would have just called utg+2's reraise on the turn. And then cap the flop when the board paired.

L0QTiS

11-23-2004, 04:26 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not to hip with the lingo about an uberfish

[/ QUOTE ]

For the purpose of my post, "uberfish" called nearly 70% of all flops in the hands that I observed so far (about 4-5 orbits)

meep_42

11-23-2004, 04:42 PM

Hand 1: 3-bet the flop, I'm not giving credit for T9 here. I'm not sure what BB could have that he'd be so aggressive on the flop (but not T9) and still have a T. But, i'm weak, so I probably call down, too. Why are you raising the river? It didn't help you, and you didn't think you were ahead on the turn. Call the river. Add CO to your buddy list.

Hand 2: Cap the river, you're behind AA and JJ, UTG+2 has 2-pair, KT, or AJ for the under-full.

-d

PokerBob

11-23-2004, 04:47 PM

Hand 1:
3-bet the flop EVERY TIME.
I think I 3-bet the turn too.
Raising the river seems insane. Why come to life then? With all the raising preflop (no one limped), I find it hard to believe that someone has a ten. That said, I think the only way BB has a 10 is if he has 2 of them. I bet you are good here.

Hand 2:
Perfect until......Why not cap the river? What are you afraid of? The only thing that beats you is JJ or AA, and even an "Uberfish" will 3-bet PF with AA. Fire in every chip you have at that point.

L0QTiS

11-23-2004, 10:11 PM

Hand 1
On the river when BB checks I'm sure he missed his draw - I was fairly sure MP2 didn't have a Ten and when CO just smooth calls the river I raised for value - all things considered, I figured this was a pretty thin value raise, but...

MP2 88
CO KTs

QQ no goot

Hand 2
UTG+2 had AA

QQ no goot again... however, I agree I should have capped the river... Only two hands beat me and I didn't think AA was possible given his play preflop

I have a holdem background, but started playing Omaha hi/lo almost exclusively for the last two years. So i'm sure, my game needs work.

Bought pokertracker - Stats seem good (except for win rate), insufficient sample size (2000 hands at .5/1 and 1/2). I have Excel stats at about similar limits for about 1BB/hr for ~200 hrs over the course of the last 5 months.

VP$P 18.82
W$WSF% 28.32
WTSD% 29.88
W$AtSD% 55.56
PFR% 6.88
AF 2.27
BB/100 -4.55

I feel like I've been seriously getting run over with many of my good hands, but I'm sure that's only partly to blame for the poor showing since I started using PT. I'm certain there's plenty of room for improvement. Feel free to comment further... Thanks!

L0QTiS

11-24-2004, 01:23 PM

bump