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SackUp
11-23-2004, 01:03 AM
This is a new bonus that is fresh on the market. I would act fast as the WR, ect will likely change soon.

www.monacogoldcasino.com (http://www.monacogoldcasino.com)

100% match up to $200. 12X WR

Maybe Homer can do the math for us, but even w/o the math I can tell you it's a super deal. You can play 3 hands at a time of BJ so at $5 a hand you can clear in no time.

Quick question for you Homer if you are reading this.

Does the EV change if you play 1 or 3 hands at the same table? Does it change the variance at all? Thanks!!

Good luck all!

LLXC
11-23-2004, 01:09 AM
Cool. Now my question is anybody have any experience with this site? Cashout times, customer support, etc. Thanks.

kurosh
11-23-2004, 01:20 AM
Er if anyone read that sorry I screwed up the calculations.

Playing BJ the EV is 200-4800*.0052 = $175.04
Playing BJ switch the EV is 200-4800*.0005 = $197.6

Checked casinomeister for the casino and company that hosts it, got nothing on the rogue casino list. It's a non-sticky bonus. Looks good. I'm about to try it out.

Edit: Oh and use pounds if you can. It'll nearly double your EV.

Yobz
11-23-2004, 01:30 AM
Anything new on this, anyone have problems with them before, anyone ever even deal with them before?

fluff
11-23-2004, 01:35 AM
Hmmm....all bonuses from this group of casinos are sticky bonuses I think...

Can anyone confirm that this is different? Preferably someone who has cashed out?

Bartleby
11-23-2004, 01:57 AM
I read the promotion terms and "terms and conditions" at Monaco Gold and could not find anything about sticky bonus. I have, in the past, overlooked it once before after having thoroughly read all the terms.

csuf_gambler
11-23-2004, 02:24 AM
anyone?

Thythe
11-23-2004, 02:25 AM
My account was instalocked when I made a new account. Does that mean I'm banned from Playtech casinos? I'm such a whore...

SackUp
11-23-2004, 02:58 AM
I deposited my $200 and received another $200 instantly.

I scanned the T&C's and couldn't find anything to indicate it was sticky. You just have to meet the 12x WR and you can withdraw.

I'll probably finish the bonus tonight and I'll update on my results. I found out about the deal at the OBG forum so it should be pretty legit.

jeffraider
11-23-2004, 03:05 AM
Is depositing 200GBP a good idea? Seems like it, but is there anything I'm overlooking?

SackUp
11-23-2004, 03:06 AM
just confirming that is indeed NOT sticky.



Greetings,

Thank you for choosing Monaco Gold Casino.

This is a notification that we are in receipt of your e-mail. Please be advised that once you have met the minimum wagering requirement before requesting a withdrawal, you will be also able to cash out the bonus along with your winnings.

For example:-

You deposit $100, you get $100 bonus and are required to wager a total of $2400.

Let's say that you have wagered $2500, you will then be able to cash out everything in your balance including the bonus.

We hope that this information is enlightening to you and we look forward to seeing you at the tables where we wish you good luck in all your games.

Have a lovely day!

Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact the Monaco Gold Casino Support Team. We are available 24 Hours a day, 7 days a week.

With Best Regards,

Chatrishe
Monaco Gold Casino

SackUp
11-23-2004, 03:14 AM
Ya I think depositing in pounds would be the way to go if you can.

I was thinking about it but I know there is a fee using neteller to convert my money so wasn't sure if it was worth it. If you already have the money in pounds then this obviously isn't an issue. I think it may be worth it if you do the conversion as well, but not sure. Someone else with more experience will have to let you know on this one.

edfurlong
11-23-2004, 03:29 AM
Crap about every three months I forget why I dont do these and here I am again. 2k wagered 2.8k to go, down 100 pounds. At this rate I will only end up down 70 bucks or so when I clear it.

Thythe
11-23-2004, 03:37 AM
Just so everyone knows how much of a whore I've been in the past:

Our administration system is completely automated and has automatically closed your casino account.

The reason for this may be due to a number of reasons including (but not limited to) the following:

1. Previous activity in the gaming industry and/or affiliated casinos

2. Previous activity with regards to banking and/or credit card systems

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused, but our system will not be able to maintain your account.

SackUp
11-23-2004, 03:39 AM
Damn, Thythe you need to get an alias or something /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I would say you have had your fair share of the spoils if you are at the point of being automatically banned...but I don't believe in that line of thinking. You can never whore enough /images/graemlins/smile.gif

lunchmeat
11-23-2004, 03:40 AM
Monaco Gold shares the same affiliate program as New York and USA Casinos, which slow-payed (and possibly even no-paid) a bunch of people last spring. I have no idea what the current situation is with those 2 casinos, but they are related to Monaco Gold. FWIW, that particular affiliate program is poorly run, bordering on sleazy.

The house advantage for basic strategy blackjack at Monaco Gold and other Playtech casinos is .52%. Perfect strategy cards can be found at: http://wizardofodds.com/software/reviewplaytech.html

Assuming the WR is 12XDB and that the casino is kosher, the EV is: +$175.04

The formula for calculating the EV of non-sticky casino bonuses is: Bonus-((Deposit+Bonus)X Wagering Requirement X House Advantage)
$200-(($200+$200)X 12 X .0052)= 175.04

The gross EV does not change if you play multiple hands. However, your +EV per hour increases when you play multiple hands because you bet more in an equivalent amount of time, thus completing the wagering requirement faster. Betting larger units also accomplishes this. Both methods increase varience, especially betting larger units.

JTrue14
11-23-2004, 03:48 AM
is the only way to keep track of your wager is by pencil and a pad? Also, when you double down or split..is that an extra wager?

Thythe
11-23-2004, 03:48 AM
I whored the USA Casinos and got paid but I haven't heard the greatest things about them. This is probably why I am banned.

edfurlong
11-23-2004, 03:50 AM
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is the only way to keep track of your wager is by pencil and a pad? Also, when you double down or split..is that an extra wager?

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There is a comps button under cashier that will show how much you've played.

SackUp
11-23-2004, 04:05 AM
[ QUOTE ]
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is the only way to keep track of your wager is by pencil and a pad? Also, when you double down or split..is that an extra wager?

[/ QUOTE ]

There is a comps button under cashier that will show how much you've played.

[/ QUOTE ]

A double and splite will count as an "extra wager" per se. The wager requirements are met by how much you wager. So if you need $1000 WR and you bet $10 per hand then it would take 100 hands. But anytime you double or split, you will be wagering more than the $10 a hand, but actually $20. So the hands you double or split on will add $20 to the WR instead of just the $10.

I probably made that way more complicated than necessary, but hopefully it helped out.

As far as how many hands you played. There is a hand history, but it doesn't seem to give you a total anywhere so I didn't find it very helpful. I asked the live online support and they said to call or email to find out if you have met the WR.

I used to do the old pen and paper method and this might be another one. I just planned on playing for a while and then calling.

MarkSummers
11-23-2004, 04:07 AM
Is anyone else getting absolutely wrecked at this site? I'm betting $2 on 3 hands every time and I've wagerd about $300 and the dealer has gotten 21 or blackjack at least 1/3 of the time and 20 another 1/3

edfurlong
11-23-2004, 04:07 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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is the only way to keep track of your wager is by pencil and a pad? Also, when you double down or split..is that an extra wager?

[/ QUOTE ]

There is a comps button under cashier that will show how much you've played.

[/ QUOTE ]

A double and splite will count as an "extra wager" per se. The wager requirements are met by how much you wager. So if you need $1000 WR and you bet $10 per hand then it would take 100 hands. But anytime you double or split, you will be wagering more than the $10 a hand, but actually $20. So the hands you double or split on will add $20 to the WR instead of just the $10.

I probably made that way more complicated than necessary, but hopefully it helped out.

As far as how many hands you played. There is a hand history, but it doesn't seem to give you a total anywhere so I didn't find it very helpful. I asked the live online support and they said to call or email to find out if you have met the WR.

I used to do the old pen and paper method and this might be another one. I just planned on playing for a while and then calling.

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless Im mistaken you can chuck a zero at the end of the comp points you've earned. That should be how much you've wagered.

JTrue14
11-23-2004, 04:08 AM
Your post was a help Sackup.
But you don't have to do the pen paper method. Edfur showed me that in cashier theres a COMPs button..click that and it'll tell you how many points you have. 1 pt = 10 dollars wagered...so you need 240 pts

edfurlong
11-23-2004, 04:11 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Your post was a help Sackup.
But you don't have to do the pen paper method. Edfur showed me that in cashier theres a COMPs button..click that and it'll tell you how many points you have. 1 pt = 10 dollars wagered...so you need 240 pts

[/ QUOTE ]

480 with the full deposit.

JTrue14
11-23-2004, 04:23 AM
oh okay..its the total amount in your acct that is 12x not just the bonus

SackUp
11-23-2004, 04:24 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Your post was a help Sackup.
But you don't have to do the pen paper method. Edfur showed me that in cashier theres a COMPs button..click that and it'll tell you how many points you have. 1 pt = 10 dollars wagered...so you need 240 pts

[/ QUOTE ]

480 with the full deposit.

[/ QUOTE ]

ok, nice!! Well done!

I'm at 100. so 140 to go.

kurosh
11-23-2004, 04:29 AM
The 5500 point LCD 17" monitor comp gift looks +EV.

$55000*.0005= $27.50 (playing BJ switch)

$27.50 for a 17" LCD monitor isn't bad. I wonder what the specs on it are though. Still, even the lowest quality is worth it. But grinding through that would suck.

JTrue14
11-23-2004, 05:08 AM
Its not 240. Its 480. Its 12x for deposit and bonus total. Not just the bonus.

400*12=4800/10 = 480

edfurlong
11-23-2004, 05:26 AM
Well I cleared it for +207 pound total. My withdrawl request is in, we'll see how it goes.

kurosh
11-23-2004, 06:05 AM
Just cleared it for a 195 pound profit. The software was pretty streaky against me. I got the 200 pound initial bonus then the casino manager randomly decided to give me an extra 50 so I ended up with 450 pounds. At one point I was down to 200 pounds making 6 pound bets on BJ split, which has a house edge of .005%. When I was around 250 pounds and had my requirement almost done, I ramped it up to 20 pound bets and stopped at 395. Unusually streaky against me though. I made my withdrawal. Now I wait 4-5 days for it to be done pending.

JTrue14
11-23-2004, 06:34 AM
went a on a terrible card run where the dealer always seemed to have an ace or Ten.
I did mine in dollars for +91.50...i guess its better than losing

rusty JEDI
11-23-2004, 06:36 AM
This site does not have a reputation yet.

It is play at your own risk and definetly not on the same level as the bonus' (bonii) that homer has brought us.

rJ

JTG51
11-23-2004, 08:01 AM
I signed up and played off the bonus tonight. When I was about 2/3 of the way through someone from customer support contacted me with an instant message through the site.

He said he noticed I deposited using GBP even though I'm in the United States and wanted to know if it was deliberate. I said yes, he said no problem.

Then he asked how I heard about the site. I said a friend told me about it. He gave me a 10 GBP bonus.

By the way, BJ switch is great.

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 08:25 AM
seems like a good bonus. but whats up with this site? is it possible they won't pay?

Rah
11-23-2004, 08:53 AM
I can't download the file. I've tried every download link on the page and I just get an empty web page.

Evan
11-23-2004, 09:12 AM
Can someone give me a link to a site with an easy to use strategy for blackjack switch? Thanks.

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 10:15 AM
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Well I cleared it for +207 pound total. My withdrawl request is in, we'll see how it goes.

[/ QUOTE ]

was anyone able to withdraw immediately after going over the 240pts? i did that, and it said I still havent surpassed it... wonder if i need to wait a few hours or so

finished +200 bonus +100 profit..USD cuz i was too lazy to do the GBP thing... not bad for about 90 mins work
/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Beck
11-23-2004, 10:19 AM
So nobody's doing the huge bonus, where you have to deposit $5000??? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Lawrence Ng
11-23-2004, 12:37 PM
Thanks for the post Sack-Up.

I just finished my run on Monaco.

Apparently you cannot get both the Neteller bonus deposit (15%) plus the 200 GBP match deposit.

I ran very well early on, and was up over 400 GBP betting 2 squares at 5 a square. This method seems to work well for me as I have had very good luck on Reef, Con, PL, and SL. Now I can add Monaco to that list.

Well the dealer eventually got some its revenge and I only wound up 240 + 200 bonus. Still a fantastic 2 hours. The software is great and the customer support is very friendly.

Now to wait for the cashout. Hopefully it won't take that long.

Lawrence

Lawrence Ng
11-23-2004, 12:53 PM
I just got this letter in the email from Monaco:

Dear Lawrence Ng,

Thank you for choosing to play at monacogold!

We have received your withdrawal request for the total amount of £600.00, together with your preferred payment method of money NETeller.

Your transaction request code is: xxxxxxxxx

Please be advised that all withdrawal requests are processed 4 business days following the request date, as per our Withdrawal Policy, unless stated otherwise according to your VIP level. Your withdrawal request will be displayed in the 'Pending Withdrawals' section under the casino's Cashier section until the day it is processed.

PLEASE NOTE: All withdrawals will be first credited to your FIREPAY cards (if you use this payment method) up to the total original amount that was deposited per card. The balance will then be sent to you via your choice of Neteller. Please also note that we can no longer issue credits against previous MasterCard and Visa deposits.

If you wish to cancel your withdrawal request or have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Monaco Gold Casino Support team.
They are available 24/7 at:

Email: support@monacogoldcasino.com

Toll Free (U.S. only)
Phone: 1-866-463-9279
Fax: 1-866-463-9281

International
Phone: 1-268-481-2256
Fax: 1-268-481-2257


Warmest regards,

Olivier
Manager, Monaco Gold Casino

http://www.monacogoldcasino.com/

The Royal Side of Gaming

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 12:57 PM
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The 5500 point LCD 17" monitor comp gift looks +EV.

$55000*.0005= $27.50 (playing BJ switch)

$27.50 for a 17" LCD monitor isn't bad. I wonder what the specs on it are though. Still, even the lowest quality is worth it. But grinding through that would suck.

[/ QUOTE ]

Anybody got a direct link for the comp page? When I click 'convert to gifts' it takes me to the main monaco gold page and nohing specific to comps.

PS I finished up 225$ over the bonus, betting $25 a hand at blackjack and bj switch.

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 01:35 PM
$25 a hand? wow you guys are skilled poker players, maybe... but you REALLY rely on luck when it comes to BJ bonuses.. $25 a hand can wipe you out quick

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 01:48 PM
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$25 a hand? wow you guys are skilled poker players, maybe... but you REALLY rely on luck when it comes to BJ bonuses.. $25 a hand can wipe you out quick

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No, I rely on time management. If your bankroll is large enough that losing your initial investment does not hurt you, then the proper play amount would be where I am making more money per hour clearing the bonus than I can playing poker. Grinding it out on 1$ bets is -EV for many of the players here.

Yobz
11-23-2004, 01:50 PM
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Can someone give me a link to a site with an easy to use strategy for blackjack switch? Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Can someone post it or PM it to me, thanks!

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 01:53 PM
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Can someone post it or PM it to me, thanks!

[/ QUOTE ]

Its already posted earlier in this thread. Go to www.wizardofodds.com (http://www.wizardofodds.com) for all your casino strategies.

actyper
11-23-2004, 02:09 PM
So according to this email, it is 12x your total bankroll, not just the bonus, correct?

[ QUOTE ]
just confirming that is indeed NOT sticky.



Greetings,

Thank you for choosing Monaco Gold Casino.

This is a notification that we are in receipt of your e-mail. Please be advised that once you have met the minimum wagering requirement before requesting a withdrawal, you will be also able to cash out the bonus along with your winnings.

For example:-

You deposit $100, you get $100 bonus and are required to wager a total of $2400.

Let's say that you have wagered $2500, you will then be able to cash out everything in your balance including the bonus.

We hope that this information is enlightening to you and we look forward to seeing you at the tables where we wish you good luck in all your games.

Have a lovely day!

Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact the Monaco Gold Casino Support Team. We are available 24 Hours a day, 7 days a week.

With Best Regards,

Chatrishe
Monaco Gold Casino

[/ QUOTE ]

Yobz
11-23-2004, 02:12 PM
It does not have the strategy to blackjack switch. At least as far as I can see...

Yobz
11-23-2004, 02:13 PM
Yes, 12x (buyin+bonus)

BonJoviJones
11-23-2004, 02:18 PM
Higher Bets = Higher EV, Higher Variance.

That's usally a good thing.

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 02:18 PM
[ QUOTE ]
It does not have the strategy to blackjack switch. At least as far as I can see...

[/ QUOTE ]

Shall I cut the crust off your bread too? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/bj_switch.html

kurosh
11-23-2004, 02:36 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The 5500 point LCD 17" monitor comp gift looks +EV.

$55000*.0005= $27.50 (playing BJ switch)

$27.50 for a 17" LCD monitor isn't bad. I wonder what the specs on it are though. Still, even the lowest quality is worth it. But grinding through that would suck.

[/ QUOTE ]

Anybody got a direct link for the comp page? When I click 'convert to gifts' it takes me to the main monaco gold page and nohing specific to comps.

PS I finished up 225$ over the bonus, betting $25 a hand at blackjack and bj switch.

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh... looks like they removed the page??? Maybe because of the influx. It WAS www.monacogold.com/gifts.html (http://www.monacogold.com/gifts.html) . It redirects to the main page now.

TylerD
11-23-2004, 02:38 PM
If he really relied on luck he'd bet it the optimum way : everything on each hand! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Rah
11-23-2004, 03:00 PM
I can't access the download page. I would appreciate if someone could post a direct link to the software download.

GrannyMae
11-23-2004, 03:09 PM
Have a lovely day!

With Best Regards,

Chatrishe

methinks Chatrishe won't be having such a lovely day when the whores are done.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/v/hairraise.gif

GrannyMae
11-23-2004, 03:12 PM
(bonii)


is this a word??


frikking canucks

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KingMarc
11-23-2004, 03:36 PM
I deposited $200, and just finished the $4800 wager, and I now have $817.50.

Execuse me while I go smack my head into the wall for not doing pounds or euros /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 03:46 PM
817 holy shiat.. nice session

DeathDonkey
11-23-2004, 04:14 PM
From the bonus terms at: http://www.monacogoldcasino.com/bonusterms.html#bonus_1

[ QUOTE ]
Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack), Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.

[/ QUOTE ]

Has anyone successfully cashed out after meeting the WR requirements on blackjack? This doesn't look good to me as I never see this in bonus T&C...

-DeathDonkey

Evan
11-23-2004, 04:17 PM
Ruh Roh /images/graemlins/blush.gif

raccon
11-23-2004, 04:19 PM
Learn to read those pages more carefully. You were quoting wrong bonus terms.

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 04:22 PM
[ QUOTE ]
From the bonus terms at: http://www.monacogoldcasino.com/bonusterms.html#bonus_1

Quote:
Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack), Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.



Has anyone successfully cashed out after meeting the WR requirements on blackjack? This doesn't look good to me as I never see this in bonus T&C...

-DeathDonkey



[/ QUOTE ]

That was not there last night when I made my deposit, I reread it several times. I would assume they would grandfather anyone in who deposited before they changed it.

The most concerning part, however, is this:

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If you withdraw before having met the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.

[/ QUOTE ]

Evan
11-23-2004, 04:23 PM
I just read it again, it looks like blackjack doesn't count. Can you explain what you mean? Thanks.

Scotty_H
11-23-2004, 04:24 PM
Did they just change it? I looked earlier today and I am pretty sure Blackjack was not on the list of the games not counting toward your minimum wagering requirements. Looks like it is now. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 04:26 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Learn to read those pages more carefully. You were quoting wrong bonus terms.

[/ QUOTE ]

Direct from the webpage:


Terms & Conditions of the 100% free bonus up to 200 €/£/$

To receive your 100% free bonus up to 200 €/£/$, you need to make your first single deposit into your casino account. You will receive this bonus instantly!

For example:
Deposit 75 €/£/$ get 75 €/£/$ Free - You play with 150 €/£/$.
Deposit 100 €/£/$ get 100 €/£/$ Free - You play with 200 €/£/$.

Please note that the only deposit that is eligible for this bonus is your first single deposit at the Casino.

1. Unless otherwise stated, this offer may not be combined with any other bonuses offered by Monaco Gold Casino.
2. This Bonus will be given only once per household and/or per account
3. In the interest of fair gaming you must wager at least (12) twelve times your bonus and deposit before making any cash outs. If you withdraw before having reached the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.

For example:
Deposit 75 €/£/$ get 75 €/£/$ Free - minimum wager is 1,800 €/£/$
Deposit 100 €/£/$ get 100 €/£/$ Free - minimum wager is 2,400 €/£/$

Monaco Gold Casino reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of this offer at any time and it is your responsibility to periodically check here for changes and updates.

Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack), Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.

If you withdraw before having met the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.

To be eligible for this bonus you must deposit a minimum of 50 €/£/$. The casino will not award bonuses to a player who has a withdrawal pending.

The casino reserves the right to review transaction records and logs from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that player/s are participating in strategies that the casino in its sole discretion deems to be abusive, the casino reserves the right to revoke the entitlement of such player to the promotion.

In the event of a dispute, all decisions made by the casino will be final.

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 04:26 PM
Terms & Conditions of the 100% free bonus up to 200 €/£/$

To receive your 100% free bonus up to 200 €/£/$, you need to make your first single deposit into your casino account. You will receive this bonus instantly!

For example:
Deposit 75 €/£/$ get 75 €/£/$ Free - You play with 150 €/£/$.
Deposit 100 €/£/$ get 100 €/£/$ Free - You play with 200 €/£/$.

Please note that the only deposit that is eligible for this bonus is your first single deposit at the Casino.
Unless otherwise stated, this offer may not be combined with any other bonuses offered by Monaco Gold Casino.
This Bonus will be given only once per household and/or per account
In the interest of fair gaming you must wager at least (12) twelve times your bonus and deposit before making any cash outs. If you withdraw before having reached the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.
For example:
Deposit 75 €/£/$ get 75 €/£/$ Free - minimum wager is 1,800 €/£/$
Deposit 100 €/£/$ get 100 €/£/$ Free - minimum wager is 2,400 €/£/$

Monaco Gold Casino reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of this offer at any time and it is your responsibility to periodically check here for changes and updates.

**************************************************
Bets placed in the games of Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements. ************************************************** ***

If you withdraw before having met the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.

To be eligible for this bonus you must deposit a minimum of 50 €/£/$. The casino will not award bonuses to a player who has a withdrawal pending.

The casino reserves the right to review transaction records and logs from time to time, for any reason whatsoever. If, upon such review, it appears that player/s are participating in strategies that the casino in its sole discretion deems to be abusive, the casino reserves the right to revoke the entitlement of such player to the promotion.

In the event of a dispute, all decisions made by the casino will be final.

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Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see blackjack listed.

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 04:30 PM
They added blackjack now. I have a screen shot of it without it listing blackjack.

Acesover8s
11-23-2004, 04:30 PM
Hmmmmmmm, why does my cut and paste not say the same as yours? Have you refreshed the page lately?

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 04:31 PM
Talking to them now. I'll post the screenshot in a bit.

Beck
11-23-2004, 04:32 PM
Can't the points be traded in for cash? If they are doing the normal 100=$1, well, then it essentially costs an extra $55.

FightNow
11-23-2004, 04:35 PM

ezinestein
11-23-2004, 04:37 PM
This seems ridiculous to me. What a bunch of jerks! I also went there this morning... and I'm 'certain' that blackjack was not on the list.

Here's where they getcha...

"Monaco Gold Casino reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of this offer at any time and it is your responsibility to periodically check here for changes and updates."

I also wonder what they will do for those of your that deposited and played before they made the change.

ezinestein

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 04:38 PM
ScreenShot provided by me (http://www.geocities.com/ewfdvlceo/monacogold.JPG)

gabyyyyy
11-23-2004, 04:40 PM
6 buisness days for a neteller cashout.

12 buisness days for a firepay cashout.

No thanks

beta1607
11-23-2004, 04:40 PM
I am new to whoring but doesnt this seem like something that would be bad enough to put them on a blacklist?

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 04:43 PM
I spoke to online customer support, and they said the finance department would contact me. If they do not process my and everyone elses cashout that completed the wager requirements today, I'll do what I can to get them blacklisted.

gabyyyyy
11-23-2004, 04:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I am new to whoring but doesnt this seem like something that would be bad enough to put them on a blacklist?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

Soon they will be changing the processing time for neteller withdraws from 6 buisness days to "who knows"

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 04:53 PM
If someone wants to host the image I'll email it to them, geocities has sucky bandwith. Or is there any other free place?

Evan
11-23-2004, 04:55 PM
freepichosting.com i think

EDIT: Go to wherever my avatar is hosted, that's free, i think its freepichosting

Rah
11-23-2004, 04:56 PM
Heh sounds like you guys are in for a ride. I hope those of you that lost a chunk while playing gets out of this alive.

Muisyle
11-23-2004, 04:58 PM
http://img92.exs.cx/img92/7388/monacogold.jpg

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 05:00 PM
Thanks. I'll post an update when I speak to their financial department or manager.

Evan
11-23-2004, 05:04 PM
What time was that screenshot taken?

BonJoviJones
11-23-2004, 05:04 PM
Does anybody have any clue what time they changed it?

stir
11-23-2004, 05:11 PM
Sackup's prediction that WR could change fast was right on.

Probably will never know, but would I like to see how many 2+2'ers (and BW'ers) got in on this promo, how big was the number of players, that in effect caused them to add the "no BJ".

TylerD
11-23-2004, 05:24 PM
Its probably costing them 10s of thousands of dollars, I can't blame them for changing the T&C. Of course the previous T&Cs should apply to those who have already deposited.

ezinestein
11-23-2004, 05:36 PM
These online casino's do have a hard time making end's meat. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 05:39 PM
Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack), Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.

wow, they changed it.. glad i got in on it while i did, and already withdrew!!!! whoa, thats sneaky though

Wabby
11-23-2004, 05:39 PM
just repeated everyone here...

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 05:42 PM
this is all obviously new... as of today, i would say about 1pm EST... if you signed up before that and deposited, i would assume you are good

Dave H.
11-23-2004, 05:44 PM
I did a separate post of the following as well:

I just went through the entire thread pertaining to the 100% bonus for blackjack at Monaco Gold.

When internet gambling first began (about 5 years ago), that's when they had true bonuses. Today they stink. I was a card counter in Vegas for about 5 years back in the 80's and used my skills online years later when the bonuses were bonafide and when they didn't pull this "bait and switch" crap. I won a lot of money for myself and for my friends and family during the one year that these types of bonuses were available. We happily paid the taxes on the gains, too, because winning was easy and quick.

Whenever a bonus was offered (back then it was 20 to 25% of your deposit (UP TO $10,000)), you would clear it by simply betting a total of your deposit plus the bonus. So if the bonus was 20% and you deposited $1,000 you would simply have to bet a total of $1,200 to meet the withdrawal requirements.

Once the casinos got wise, they started with this "must bet 5 times your deposit plus the bonus", then 6, 8, 10, and now 12 or more times your initial deposit plus the bonus.

I have tons and tons of records which proved to me that I needed at least a 10% bonus to make it worth my while because, even though I was a VERY good bj player, the software was rigged so much that you needed that much of an edge going in if you hoped to cash out more than you deposited. NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THE 10% I'm speaking of assumed that you would only have to bet the initial deposit plus the bonus amount, and NOT 12 TIMES THE INITIAL DEPOSIT PLUS THE BONUS. The "true bonus" is what you need to consider and it is simply the bonus amount divided by the total wager requirement.

Read carefully: when you are required to bet 12 times your initial deposit plus a 100% bonus, let's see what the "true" bonus is...

Deposit 1,000, get bonus of 1,000...betting requirement of 12 X (1,000 + 1,000) = $24,000. Your "true" bonus is therefore 1,000/24,000 = slightly better than a 4% bonus.

Do you see what they are doing?? All they have to do is maintain a 5% edge (very easily done), and you are beaten. BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THESE BONUSES! YOU CAN WIN WITH LUCK, BUT THE MAJORITY WILL LOSE, and SOME WILL LOSE BADLY!

Warning: Always calculate the "true" bonus and consider 10% as the absolute low for your consideration.

This has nothing to do, of course, with Poker. I am ONLY referring to blackjack, as I have had a great deal of experience with these bonuses.

PhatCasino
11-23-2004, 05:47 PM
dave i hope no one was crazy enough to deposit $1000 into this casino.... LOL

Dave H.
11-23-2004, 05:53 PM
Me too. But somewhere in the thread it looked like someone was looking at $5,000. Anyhow, I just hope the advice is heeded. I'm just trying to be helpful.

LLXC
11-23-2004, 05:54 PM
Or the $5K for the $1K bonus.

Synergistic Explosions
11-23-2004, 06:35 PM
PLEASE DO NOT POST EXCEPTIONAL BONUS DEALS LIKE THIS ONE.

As soon as you did, they changed it entirely. Making BJ not eligible and changing other terms also.

Just don't post stuff like this here unless you dont care that others won't be able to benefit from the generous terms. I was about to do this offer later this week and now I can't.

PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU POST STUFF LIKE THIS.

PM your friends, but don't destroy it for everyone!

Evan
11-23-2004, 06:38 PM
Stupidest. Post. Ever.

There are bonus deals posted here and on BW all the time. Just cause you didn't get this one don't blame the guy that tried to help us out.

beta1607
11-23-2004, 06:41 PM
How is it ruining it for everyone else just because you missed out? I didn't get to do it either since I was at work but many people on this site did who would have never known about it. Nobody had a problem with the Reef club bonus Homer posted a couple weeks back and I don't see how this is any different.

csuf_gambler
11-23-2004, 06:41 PM
compeletly absurd. the whole point of this forum is to notify others of such deals.

SackUp
11-23-2004, 06:43 PM
[ QUOTE ]
PLEASE DO NOT POST EXCEPTIONAL BONUS DEALS LIKE THIS ONE.

As soon as you did, they changed it entirely. Making BJ not eligible and changing other terms also.

Just don't post stuff like this here unless you dont care that others won't be able to benefit from the generous terms. I was about to do this offer later this week and now I can't.

PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU POST STUFF LIKE THIS.

PM your friends, but don't destroy it for everyone!

[/ QUOTE ]

Everyone won't know of these bonuses unless they are posted either here or on BW or OBG. It is just as likely that this bonus would have changed before you got to it anyhow if it was later in the week. I found out about this bonus on another board and it was just a matter of time before it got shut down. It pays to act quickly on these bonuses. Any bonus hunter knows you need to act quickly especially on the really juicy bonuses.

I'm sorry that you missed out, but you should have hit it up as soon as you knew about it. You say that others won't be able to benefit from the generous terms, yet the only reason the site changes its conditions is b/c so many people have benefitted from the terms. Don't be such a bitter bear b/c you were late. You had a chance to act early and didn't. No ones fault but your own.

Also I hope that everyone read the T&C themselves before signing up. I did say that the terms might change quickly, but I probably should have reminded to check the T&C before you sign up. Hopefully it worked out for most and hopefully those of us that made it get paid.

Evan
11-23-2004, 07:27 PM
I just contacted support through the live chat on the site and they said that blackjack would count for my bonus (I deposited befroe they changed it). I just wanted to post this in case people weer still unsure.

SackUp
11-23-2004, 07:32 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I just contacted support through the live chat on the site and they said that blackjack would count for my bonus (I deposited befroe they changed it). I just wanted to post this in case people weer still unsure.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nice. Hopefully everyone else hears the same news. Make sure to save the screen shot of the casino saying that BJ still counts for you.

Thanks for supplying the screenshot of the T&C not saying antyhing about BJ to whoever did that!

GrannyMae
11-23-2004, 07:37 PM
hi evan,

how old are you? i know you are of age, but damn. you look 14

do you have a girlfriend? my neice thinks you are cute, and if you date her she likely will come with a laptop.

but NO SEX, OK?!?!?

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/_950/desire.gif

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 07:46 PM
I'm gonna get my full cashout too..

And granny, I'll take that offer if Evan turns her down.. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

SackUp
11-23-2004, 07:59 PM
Haha, we are getting OT, but you should post a pic of your niece granny /images/graemlins/smile.gif

We should have a 2+2 auction. Raise money for the board.

serling
11-23-2004, 08:05 PM
You guys do realize that Granny's niece is 73 years old, right? Though she could pass for 70.

Lawrence Ng
11-23-2004, 08:21 PM
I tried playing BJ switch..and it was way too slow for me. I just played regular BJ. I set speeed to max and just let it zip right through, finished the 480 points I needed in 1.5 hours.

Lawrence

bdk3clash
11-23-2004, 08:46 PM
http://img94.exs.cx/img94/6905/BlackJackCounts.jpg

GrannyMae
11-23-2004, 09:20 PM
post a pic of your niece granny

my niece is a genetic freak. i.e. she is gorgeous, and obviously secretly adopted cuz the rest of us are beasts.

you guys would think she is a hottie and try something. then i would have to cut off a TON of peckers, so no dates for anyone.

anyway, she only wants evan. why, i don't know. that's the ugliest pic i ever saw in my life. i was gonna ask her why she thinks he is cute, but i'm afraid the answer will reference the tongue and granny don't talk about stuff like this with her 18 year old neice.

i just provide the dowry

http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/comp/comp07.gif

Luv2DriveTT
11-23-2004, 09:45 PM
Granny:

Tell your niece that I can personally vouch for Evan, he is a much better looking guy than it shows in that horrid picture. He has got those all-american boyish good looks, and since he is about as tall as Tom Cruse he could be a movie star(now I know your niece is realy interested after hearing that!)

HOWEVER I won't let your niece near Evan unless

1) I get a piece of the action. Not your niece's action, I want a percentage of the dowery.

2) You send Evan a PM with a picture FIRST. Evan always reserves the right of first refusal, he may be a gambling man but he knows his odds a little too well.

3) You must qualify the make and model of the laptop in advance. Only quality goods are alowed, 17" screens or larger with AMD64 chips will suffice. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Evan's going to kill me for posting this.... but thats what he gets for hanging around an old fart like me.

TT /images/graemlins/club.gif

Evan
11-23-2004, 09:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
how old are you?

[/ QUOTE ]
19, yes seriosuly

[ QUOTE ]
i know you are of age, but damn. you look 14

[/ QUOTE ]
That's higher than most people guess. Ask sfer how old I am and see if he even gives you double digits (and he knows me).

[ QUOTE ]
do you have a girlfriend?

[/ QUOTE ]
No

[ QUOTE ]
my neice thinks you are cute

[/ QUOTE ]
/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[ QUOTE ]
if you date her she likely will come with a laptop.

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm confused...does that mean she will show up with a laptop or that I will get a laptop as some sort of compensation?

[ QUOTE ]
but NO SEX, OK?!?!?

[/ QUOTE ]
Ummm....okay, but that better be a really nice laptop.

Evan
11-23-2004, 09:49 PM
[ QUOTE ]
that's the ugliest pic i ever saw in my life

[/ QUOTE ]
hahahaha. I was pretty damn drunk at the time that pic was taken (about a year ago). But its the only one of myself that I have on this computer and I like it. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

SackUp
11-23-2004, 09:54 PM
we are all gonna have to start putting drunken pics of ourselves by our names at the off chance we will get lucky and GM hooks us up with one of her relatives.

Go get her Evan!

And I thought the "laptop" was a sexual pun?? If not it should be /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Evan
11-23-2004, 09:55 PM
[ QUOTE ]
And I thought the "laptop" was a sexual pun

[/ QUOTE ]
Maybe I'm incredibly stupid but I don't get the pun. Anyone wanna explain it?

LinusKS
11-23-2004, 09:55 PM
Ok. So what's the next best game, after blackjack?

SackUp
11-23-2004, 10:08 PM
well i was thinking a laptop would be the niece coming over and sitting on top your lap.

Like the old joke "come over and sit on my lap and we'll talk about whatever pops up first"

That was my line of thinking anyhow. maybe way off, but i thought it was funny. and i thought it would really sweeten the deal of getting GM's niece.

Evan
11-23-2004, 10:24 PM
I just got off the phone and they basically admitted they were trying to screw me.

I wanted to make sure I had met the WR since the comp points were shown in $'s and I deposited in GBP. They told me that since I had played blackjack I couldn't get the bonus. I explained that I had talked to online supposrt and they said I could. The lady looked up that conversation, found it and told me the online support person was mistaken. She said that I could only cash out my original deposit and my bonus would be void. We went in cirles for about 15 minutes and while I was on the phone I went back to the online support to ask them again since I forgot to take a screenshot the first time. This tiem they told me that they didn't have that info and I'd have to call live support.

Eventually I just decided that I'd try to cashout my full balance (292.50) and see what happens. I'll update this whenever I get more info.

Anyone actually get the bonus cashed out yet?

Evan
11-23-2004, 10:34 PM
Okay, I have decided that I'm gonna need a pic of this neice, with or w/o the laptop. PM or post, whatever (I wouldn't blame you for not posting that in the zoo /images/graemlins/grin.gif).

KingMarc
11-23-2004, 11:26 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I just got off the phone and they basically admitted they were trying to screw me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I spoke to phone support now, and they said I would not receive the bonus..but..that if online support said I would, then I would, as online support knows more about the situation.

Basically..."We're gonna try screw you, but we may end up not"

GrannyMae
11-23-2004, 11:43 PM
Okay, I have decided that I'm gonna need a pic of this neice, with or w/o the laptop.

and i have decided to turn the images off in the forum till the holidays pass and she is gone.

you guys are a bunch of perverts, but most frightening is that all of you seem to have as much interest in the laptop as you do in the girl.

that makes you perverted, degenerate gigolos.

if i wanted to hook her up with one of those, i would have called the manwhores by now.
(even though they seem to be lacking heterosexuals at this point)

Hvymtl
11-24-2004, 10:41 AM
I signed up at 12:55 pm EST...finished 2 hours playing around 4:30 pm EST at $1303 and cashed out.

After reading this thread, I asked online support (Tim) if I could fulfil my wagering through blackjack...he said no.

I reversed the withdrawal back into my account, hopefully to find the best game to wager another 5k on. Others may want to check their status and do the same...an interesting thing is that I couldn't download the site at around 10:00 yesterday morning and I had no connection problems...perhaps they were doing the switch then.

As I believe Ryan asked yesterday...anyone know how what the best remaining game at the site is?

Thanks,

Hvymtl /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Luv2DriveTT
11-24-2004, 11:45 AM
Old School - Bonus Whoring
New School - Evan Whoring

Lets see how much of a bonus we can rack up!

TT /images/graemlins/club.gif

Acesover8s
11-24-2004, 12:57 PM
Everybody else get one of these?

I called them and got nothing but a standard security check, and nothing was said about my withdrawl being inelligible.



Dear Adolph,

I would like to say how delighted I am for you, having won at the casino.

We strive for Monaco Gold Casino to be a place of enjoyment and honesty. In keeping with the policies set out by the casino and for security purposes, under certain circumstances we require players wishing to withdraw funds, to provide proof of identity.

This information is required to protect both the security of the player and the casino. Once we receive this information it will be added to a secure file and you will not be required to provide us this information again.

In order to expedite this process you are asked to call our support and provide the necessary details. Our support is available 24 hours a day 7 days a week, so please feel free call at your convenience.

Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at Monaco Gold Casino.

Email: support@monacogoldcasino.com

Toll Free (U.S. only)
Phone: 1-866-463-9279
Fax: 1-866-463-9281

International
Phone: 1-268-481-2256
Fax: 1-268-481-2257


Warmest regards,

Olivier
Monaco Gold Casino

http://www.monacogoldcasino.com/

The Royal Side of Gaming

KingMarc
11-24-2004, 01:05 PM
I got that e-mail too.

Evan
11-24-2004, 01:19 PM
I didn't get that email. I have 2 pending withdrawls from last night around 11:30 Eastern that are still being shown.

I have a very bad feeling about this. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

PhatCasino
11-24-2004, 01:46 PM
got it too, has anybody called to provide them with the information? just wondering what it is so i'm prepared for their bs.. please post! thanks

Acesover8s
11-24-2004, 01:56 PM
[ QUOTE ]
got it too, has anybody called to provide them with the information? just wondering what it is so i'm prepared for their bs.. please post! thanks

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I called, they asked me to verify my account number, name, address, phone number, adn email address adn then told me that my cashout would be processed on Monday. I was put on hold several times, but nothing was mentioned about possible problems or ineligibility.

PhatCasino
11-24-2004, 01:58 PM
thanks for the reply... if some casino started asking for ssn, or id faxed just for some withdrawal id be goin nuts.. but sounds legit enuff

Puffin
11-24-2004, 02:00 PM
DAMN DAMN DAMN....too late. I was reading the Wagering requirments and since Video Poker is still available to play why not just clear it with that. Granted it may not be quite as good EV as blackjack but I am sure its still +EV, and still pretty damn profitable. Anyone else used Video Poker to clear this?

PhatCasino
11-24-2004, 02:01 PM
isn't casino war like 50/50, wouldn't that be besT?

BonJoviJones
11-24-2004, 02:17 PM
> 2% house advantage, which is pretty poor.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/war.html

ChromePony
11-24-2004, 02:34 PM
I think Jacks or better has an edge of about .55% as long as you max bet each time, not much worse than BJ. This is probably worth a shot.

LinusKS
11-24-2004, 02:49 PM
According to the Wiz, Deuces Wild is +EV.

I don't know, though, if this site is full payout or not.

parappa
11-24-2004, 02:54 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I think Jacks or better has an edge of about .55% as long as you max bet each time, not much worse than BJ. This is probably worth a shot.

[/ QUOTE ]

While factually this is true, a large portion of your EV as a player comes from hitting the royal flush, which won't happen during the time you are clearing the bonus. So, either the house edge is much higher or the standard deviation is huge, take your pick.

Puffin
11-24-2004, 02:57 PM
So what game has the bad house advantage and a low Standard Deviation. I may try Jacks or better anyway but anyone have any better suggestions?

ChromePony
11-24-2004, 03:04 PM
Checking out the appendix on the Wiz, it seems to say that you need at least a 500 bet bankroll just to get a 50% risk of ruin, is this right? Its seems pretty high to me, but if its correct its not really a chance I'm willing to take.

Edit: The 50% RoR is for infinite play, not sure how the $4800 WR factors in.

Casino war has an edge of ~2.3%, seems like the variance there would be about on par with BJ, but the EV drops to about 100. Again, with the increased RoR, not sure if this is worth it. Thoughts?

Puffin
11-24-2004, 03:15 PM
Did a little more investigating games, and I think I am going to try it with Pai Gow poker. It has a 1.46% house advantage. Waiting on my money from Party then I am gonna give it a try.

Acesover8s
11-24-2004, 03:23 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Did a little more investigating games, and I think I am going to try it with Pai Gow poker. It has a 1.46% house advantage. Waiting on my money from Party then I am gonna give it a try.

[/ QUOTE ]

A further advantage to paigow is most hands result in pushes reducing your variance farther.



[ QUOTE ]
While factually this is true, a large portion of your EV as a player comes from hitting the royal flush, which won't happen during the time you are clearing the bonus.

[/ QUOTE ]

This statement is false. While, yes, video poker is highly variable, EV is EV, your ROR is quite high. But your error is this: just because you will lose while trying to get a royal flush, and you will only get a royal flush once in every X trials, does NOT mean that you will get a royal flush on exactly the Xth hand, nor prior nor later. It is well within the realm of probability that you could get a royal flush on your first hand, and if you do, it is still possible to get a royal flush on the next hand as well.

parappa
11-24-2004, 03:25 PM
Puffin, you haven't deposited yet? If you haven't, I'd really discourage you from doing so. In many peoples' eyes, this casino has behaved fairly dishonestly, and at the very least much of the value is gone from this offer. If you're new to casino whoring there are many better offers out there, and more trustworthy places to put your money.

If you have already deposited, I guess you already know this /images/graemlins/smile.gif

parappa
11-24-2004, 03:28 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
While factually this is true, a large portion of your EV as a player comes from hitting the royal flush, which won't happen during the time you are clearing the bonus.

[/ QUOTE ]

This statement is false. While, yes, video poker is highly variable, EV is EV, your ROR is quite high. But your error is this: just because you will lose while trying to get a royal flush, and you will only get a royal flush once in every X trials, does NOT mean that you will get a royal flush on exactly the Xth hand, nor prior nor later. It is well within the realm of probability that you could get a royal flush on your first hand, and if you do, it is still possible to get a royal flush on the next hand as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

Fine. Since you get a royal flush every what? 250,000 hands, my statement that it "won't" happen is false.

What's correct is to say that it "won't happen to you. " /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[edit: if you're reading my words to suggest that I think that a royal flush is "due" or that the events are not independent, you're absolutely right. What I'm saying is that if you're going to play the minimum number of hands to clear the bonus, your chances of hitting the royal flush during a shorter session are very low and you'd be better off just ignoring the possibility and thinking of VP as having a bigger edge than it mathematically does]

zap987
11-24-2004, 03:47 PM
The chance of a royal flush is about 1 in 40000. With 4800 WR you need to play about 4000 hands at $1.25 each so it isn't that unlikely. I just finished at $420 clearing the bonus with video poker.

BonJoviJones
11-24-2004, 03:48 PM
I recieved this email too. I called support and offered to email them my driver's license and a recent cable bill. They accepted, I emailed them the scans (I got them scanned a while ago for another bonus.)

They sent me a response saying everything was A.OK, and my cashout should procede un-hinderd. We'll see, but so far it looks good.

FWIW, I did the bonus very quickly after this thread was posted.

Puffin
11-24-2004, 03:54 PM
I am doing it right now using Pai Gow. Does anyone know if I just click The House Way, if they play optimal stradegy. It would make things a lot easier if i didn't even have to look at what i had.

PhatCasino
11-24-2004, 04:01 PM
bonjovi.. u offered your id up without them asking? lol... i think they just want a call to verify whatever bull they wanna hear, acct name, name, address, dob, etc... i think just for a personal contact

ChromePony
11-24-2004, 05:07 PM
According to the Wiz, the house way is only .04% off the simplest optimal strategy. Seems like a good idea to save the time. Is Pai Gow working out for you, I'm still debating whether or not to deposit and go for it.

GrannyMae
11-24-2004, 05:27 PM
250,000 hands

i think this approaches the odds of being dealt a pat royal. the overall odds of hitting a royal are much lower if i am not mistaken.

parappa
11-24-2004, 05:57 PM
Yes, another poster mentioned 40,000, which gives you about a 10% chance of hitting it in going for the WR, which doesn't take away nearly as much as I thought it did, even if you figure it using the (royalprob/10). Not as horrible as it seemed.

Puffin
11-24-2004, 06:09 PM
So far so good. Betting 5 dollars per hand using Pai Gow and after 2500 of wagering I am at 349 pounds.

ChromePony
11-24-2004, 06:52 PM
I also did the Pai Gow, started out with $5 bets, but went on a rush about halfway there and rode it out with $10 ones the rest of the way. Aparently I am an amazing Pai Gow player because I finished with 544 pounds, for a tidy profit of ~$600!!!

It works out nicely because with the mimic the house feature you can get in something insane like 10 hands a minute and run through it in just an hour or so without even looking. (I also confirmed that this is a legitimate way to clear the WR via live chat)

Clearly I got very lucky, but even with the EV at around 100 pounds you can still on average clear $100+/hr, I'll let you decide for yourself if its worth your time /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Puffin
11-24-2004, 07:22 PM
Good job.....Just finished clearing it using Pai Gow 5 dollar bets. Ended up with 325 pounds for a 125 pound profit. The house feature was perfect. I set up a macro to click deal and then mimic house. Set it to do it 960 times and left. Now lets just hope i get paid.

gabyyyyy
11-24-2004, 07:26 PM
Has anyone received their cashout from this outfit?

Enough with how you guys cleared the bonus. Honestly no one cares. We need some updates on cashouts.

PhatCasino
11-24-2004, 07:46 PM
i got an email and had to send in my id... BS but i think its sorta standard casino policy.. although reef + con didnt, and same for all the igms..

ezinestein
11-24-2004, 09:10 PM
Hi,

How did you set up a macro to do this? Is it difficult?

Kindly,
ezinestein

Corkscrew
11-24-2004, 09:17 PM
I got one of these emails earlier today or yesterday as well. I'm actually on hold with them right now after giving my username. Been waiting about 5 minutes now.

Just for the record, I deposited and started playing somewhere around 1 or 2am EST Tuesday morning, and finished around 11:15am EST the same day. Based on what I've read here, I started, finished, and cashed out before they changed the terms and conditions, so unless they decide to give everyone the screwjob, I should be ok.

Incidentally, I had probably the best run I've ever experienced in Blackjack. Deposited 200 GBP, and ended up with a total of 780 GBP (so, 580GBP profit). Obviously, I'm really hoping this goes through. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Edit: Just got off the phone. They asked me to verify my name, billing address on file, and email address. She said, at least in my case, that whoever processes the cashouts didn't require a copy of my ID that she knew of, but that they would email me if this turned out to be the case.

I asked if this meant that my cashout would be processed as normal, and she said she believed it would, probably on Monday. So, everything looks good so far.

stinkypete
11-24-2004, 09:27 PM
crap... why did they make me send docs? those punks... i signed up around the same time as you and cashed out an hour after signing up.

i tried sending the docs from my hotmail account several times, but it kept bouncing... either hotmail doesn't allow messages sent to that address, or they just bounce everything coming from hotmail. i then sent it from gmail and it seemed to work, but still no reply a few hours later...

Lawrence Ng
11-24-2004, 09:52 PM
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We need some updates on cashouts.

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They sent me an email earlier on stating it would take about 4 business days to cashout. I finished playing on early Tuesday morning so either by this Friday or next Monday I should receive the cashout.

Posty123
11-24-2004, 10:08 PM
Is this still good to do with Pai Gow? 2.5% house edge right or no?

Thanks

KingMarc
11-24-2004, 10:36 PM
They told me it was their policy to wait 4 days as a "probationary period" or some crap after a cashout request before they actually will cash you out.

Edit: 4 business days

gabyyyyy
11-24-2004, 10:44 PM
Get this $hit king.

I deposited with another casino about 2 weeks ago. They have not processed my cashout yet claiming they have to wait for the neteller deposit to clear. Meanwhile I had the money in my neteller account for 2 months prior to depositing.

Some of these online casino sites are really fraudulent

solucky
11-25-2004, 07:47 AM
I had a royaql with Joker after 100 hands on Partybingo:)500$

Wolfgang

Ragingg
11-25-2004, 11:49 AM
Can anyone tell me the link to the blackjack chart and what the letters mean? Thanks!

CLC
11-25-2004, 03:17 PM
From the Monaco Gold Casino "Bonus Terms and Conditions"

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Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack), Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.

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Do these games not count towards clearing a bonus??? Anyone know???

Also, How can you see where you stand in regards to clearing the bonus??

SackUp
11-25-2004, 04:13 PM
[ QUOTE ]
From the Monaco Gold Casino "Bonus Terms and Conditions"

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Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all sorts of Blackjack), Roulette (all sorts of Roulette), Baccarat (all sorts of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all sorts of SicBo), do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.

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Do these games not count towards clearing a bonus??? Anyone know???

Also, How can you see where you stand in regards to clearing the bonus??

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That is correct, you can no longer play any of these games to count towards the bonus.

You can check the comp points to see if you have cleared the bonus. You need 480 comps points to clear the bonus. You can find the comp points by going to the Cashier and then clicking on the Comp Point button.

I played jacks or better adn cleared the bonus and and at 425, so a profit of 225. not bad at all. We'll see if I get the money, but if so I'll be happy. Even though the casino is garbage for changing the T&C's on everyone even if you signed up when BJ was ok.

SackUp
11-25-2004, 04:17 PM
You can go to www.wizardsofodds.com (http://www.wizardsofodds.com) or www.onlineblackjackguide to find charts for each of the casinos.

They should have a chart telling you what the letters mean but typically

S = stand
H = hit
P = split
D = double

Note that you can no longer play BJ at Monaco. You can play Jacks or better which worked out well for me doing 50 cent max bets ($2.50 total) and others said that Pai Gow works well.

You might want to wait to see if everyone gets paid first however.

GoblinMason (Craig)
11-25-2004, 06:26 PM
nm

MarkSummers
11-27-2004, 01:18 AM
Sorry for bringing back a dead post but I was away for two days and i have a question.

I deposited to monaco after hearing about the offer on monday night/tuesday morning probably around 2 or 3 EST. The next day i read here that blackjack is no longer a valid game to clear the bonus so i cashed out what i had left. I got an email saying that they cancelled my cashout because i did not meet the bonus requirements. When did they take blackjack off of the list and if it was AFTER I deposited an i still eligible to play blackjack in order to clear my bonus. Is this worth taking up with customer service?

SackUp
11-27-2004, 02:27 AM
They changed the terms on tues or wed. You were allowed to play BJ until they changed the terms. If you cleared with BJ before they changed the rules then i would bitch b/c they said they would honor BJ play that was done prior to the rule change. They said mine would be upheld anyhow. If you played BJ after the rule changed then they will tell you tough cookies essentially.

I cleared playing Jacks or better - got lucky and hit 4 four of a kinds.

I'm going to cashout once i scan in a copy of my utility bill and driver's license which they now require.