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joker122
11-23-2004, 12:43 AM
party 10/20 6max

co open limps, button raises, SB folds, I call with AcJh in the BB.

flop is AT3r and it's checked around.

turn is a 6, putting 2 clubs on the board.

i bet, co folds, button raises.

Scotch78
11-23-2004, 12:47 AM
Yeah, that looks mighty suspicious to me.

Scott

helpmeout
11-23-2004, 12:58 AM
why check the flop?

I dont fold to a button raise after one open limp who then checks the flop and raises the turn.

He could have KK QQ JJ or semibluffing with a flush draw

maxpowers21
11-23-2004, 01:14 AM
It's hard to think what type of hand your opponet would check this flop with but raise the turn with here, he could have a wide range of hands, anywhere from a set or flush, two pair, or simply a flush draw, straight draw, mid pair, top pair.

1. 5:1 is big enough odds for me to want to call down with top pair after he checked the flop. Basically you only need to be good here maybe 25% of the time for +EV, little bit higher then 20% because of when he is on a flush draw he will have pot equity when you are ahead.
2. He can't put you on an ace because you called pf from the BB and checked the flop. So he might be trying to push you off a marginal hand or flush draw.

If he's an aggresive opponet call down, if he's straightforward then muck.

Danenania
11-23-2004, 01:22 AM
I would need at least AK or a read to call down I think. In my experience the button's play is a big hand a very high percentage of the time.

Scotch78
11-23-2004, 01:36 AM
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5:1 is big enough odds for me to want to call down

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He's only getting 7-2 to see the showdown.

Scott

jrobb83
11-23-2004, 02:11 AM
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If he's an aggresive opponet call down, if he's straightforward then muck.

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What hand would a straightforward player play this way?

David BB
11-23-2004, 02:36 AM
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What hand would a straightforward player play this way?

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AA

Benjamin
11-23-2004, 02:29 PM
I'd call down. I think I might well be behind, but I'm not sure enough to fold against a typical 10/20 6-max player.

B.

PokerNoob
11-23-2004, 02:55 PM
AT also. Lets hope he's getting frisky with A9 or worse or KQ clubs, but I think you're in trouble. Is anybody really playing KK, QQ this way? That seems slightly suicidal.

rtucker5
11-23-2004, 05:13 PM
I call down the way you played it.

I prefer to check the turn and call 1 bet on the turn and 1 bet on the river. If the turn checks around I bet the river.

Grisgra
11-23-2004, 05:19 PM
Smells fishy . . . I can't imagine KK-JJ not betting the flop. Depends how tricky le button is, obviously.

joker122
11-23-2004, 06:03 PM
Not to be results oriented, but I think I can fold here, even against an unknown, in this small pot.

I called the turn and a blank river, he had AK and HHWG.