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anarz
11-19-2004, 07:15 PM
Scenario: you start off in tourney with 1000 chips a player in first 3 seats make a 200 raise it is folded to you, say these situtions when you have A-Ks through to A-Js . Hold em books seem to say if your gonna play re raise, but that would at least have to be 500 chips , half your stack. Why is the point of the re raising in these spots hammered home so much in hold em books,why raise? why is calling is incorrect as they all say?

JasonK
11-19-2004, 08:22 PM
Reraising helps you define your opponents hand. If he comes back over you he probably has a really good hand. If he just calls he's probably got a decent, but not great hand. If he folds he had garbage and was trying to steal. If you just call you really can't tell what he has.

familyteeth
11-19-2004, 09:27 PM
your scenario is a huge overplay to small blinds at the beginning of a MTT.
Big Ace plays best when seeing all five board cards.
To do that without reraising is extremely difficult.
Calling your money off to chase cards is weak.

zaxx19
11-19-2004, 11:00 PM
UM if there is a raise of 200 and even 1 call I MUCK AK AQ AND AJ so fast yur head spins.....what the hell do you think these guys have raising with 20% of their chips for absolutely no money in the middle??

familyteeth
11-20-2004, 11:45 AM
no one is playing this overplay with big ace.
but the poster was asking why (when you do decide to play it) you should reraise rather than call

Roman
11-20-2004, 03:09 PM
well if someone raised 20% of his stack early in a MTT with low blinds, I fold AQ and AJ and push AK. Calling here is bad because you miss 2/3 times, and even when you hit a TPTK with AQ and AJ, your hand is often no good.

stephensolo
11-20-2004, 04:49 PM
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well if someone raised 20% of his stack early in a MTT with low blinds, I fold AQ and AJ and push AK. Calling here is bad because you miss 2/3 times, and even when you hit a TPTK with AQ and AJ, your hand is often no good.

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if you're confident in your post flop play, you can call w AK. even if you "miss" the flop, your opponent may have too. if you have him on a PP then an overcard that doesnt help you might scare him away. conversely, if a draw flops, you can represent that. there are ways to make him fold a pair if he's a good player. that said, if you're afriad of chickening out and folding, then go all in pre-flop, as your AK needs to see all the cards. do not fold the AK after the flop after calling pre-flop under any circumstances /images/graemlins/grin.gif

fnurt
11-20-2004, 06:15 PM
Holdem books tend to assume deep stacks. Normally the opening raise will be a lot less than 200.

Dylan Wade
11-20-2004, 06:30 PM
playing when faced with a raise 20% the size of your stack this early, pretty much dedicates all your chips to the hand regaurdless of whether you call or raise. If you raise, he may fold a better hand--or your hand may out draw him. If you call, you can only out draw him. You don't have much power if you re-raise him on the flop. He has probably has invested 50% of his stack at this point--he's not folding often.