Party has gone WAY too far!!

[partyismad]

In pursuing this Winholdem crap. Stealing peoples screen shots?????

There are two problems with this:

1) It will be absolutely worthless as a bot countermeasure. It will be simple to slightly adjust your bot so there is no visible evidence on the screen.

2) FOR CHRISSAKES PEOPLE stop being so happy about Winholdem players taking it in the ass and THINK!! Party can just spy on your desktop absolutely??? Think how much sensitive information crosses your desktop! What's next, the keys to the webcam??

This is like 100x worse than the Patriot Act. Party is committing a massive privacy invasion and to top it all off it has ZERO CHANCE of preventing a bot, and to make things worse you people are applauding them!! Have you no wits about you???

write them and tell them what you think: support@partypoker.com

[junkmail3]

Who cares?

"Sensitive information?"

Here's a good scenario for you:
Party wakes up one morning and brushes it's teeth. It comes over to your IP and knocks on the door. Someones' home, but not watching. They take your username/password to your bank account. They transfer all of the money into their account and by a breakfast bagel with it. Mmmm, that was tasty. They buy another.

They do this the next day, because, hey, breakfast bagels (with bacon) are tasty in deed.

About one month later, party has gained a little weight, and someone notices. party gets caught/gets shut down.

They just lost $700 million/year. and all of this for $1000 extra/day.

I'm going to protect all of my 'sensitive information' from party right now!

[Phill S]

its in the T&Cs, nowt you can do.

furthermore, if you dont like it, dont play party. i hear stars is nice this time of year.

in a case of two evils, you choose the lesser.

Phill

[LowDown22]

[ QUOTE ]
It will be absolutely worthless as a bot countermeasure.

[/ QUOTE ]
It caught them (and you probably) this time didn't it? So apparently it's not 'absolutely' worthless. And as people find more ways to hide it, Party will come up with more ways to catch them. I could really care less if they take screenshots. I knowingly use their product, they state they may be doing this, and I agree to it and am fine with it.

[Phill S]

err, maybe 'party' wont do this, but mr ahkmed, who makes 5 dollars a day in their indian call centre may if he can get hold of the info.

take some steps to protect yourself, like not writing your passwords clearly, not going on illegal porn whilst playing (sick bastards).

it doesnt take screenshots constantly, only when your online. then you guys can go to girls-horses-and-a-big-tube-of-lube.com

Phill

[G Money]

[ QUOTE ]
then you guys can go to girls-horses-and-a-big-tube-of-lube.com

Phill

[/ QUOTE ]

Hold up. They call me stallion not horse. You call me a horse again I beeatch slap you so hard you won't be able to get yo buttah whipped for years.

Now G gotta break down this Party shizzle. Break out a toke, kick back, and ease yo bad self down G lane. Now think of a big ripe bootay.

Feel better?

[Jurollo]

Here is a hypothetical, wouldn't the easiest solution be for party to just get the ongoing processes on your computer? No screenshots of potentially valuable info and would be the most complete tool in stomping out the wave of bots. Is this possible?
~Justin Rollo

[moondogg]

Screenshots of your desktop has nothing to do with it.

Party, and every single other poker client you have installed, and every just about every other non-poker application you have installed, has full access to whatever it wants on your system. Their access rights are limited only by your own access rights. If you are an administrator on the computer and have allowed the application to pass through your firewall (or worse yet, you don't have a firewall), then it can do what it wants.

If you don't like it, unplug your internet connection.

[moondogg]

[ QUOTE ]
Here is a hypothetical, wouldn't the easiest solution be for party to just get the ongoing processes on your computer? No screenshots of potentially valuable info and would be the most complete tool in stomping out the wave of bots. Is this possible?
~Justin Rollo

[/ QUOTE ]

Sure it's possible (with the EnumProcess function). I too am curious why they didn't do this. Then again, I don't know (or care) the exact execution method of WinCrapEm.

[Jurollo]

I'm happy they cracked down, I just thought that tapping a computers processes would be easier, because from the little I know winholdem couldn't make an option to change its process name in real time by the customer. Which would eliminate the options they have to look for.
~Justin Rollo

[partyismad]

Yeah because Joe Shmoe indian tech support making 6 bucks an hour (american) has a real stake in that 700 million a year. God you are one dum moeffer.

[moondogg]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm happy they cracked down, I just thought that tapping a computers processes would be easier, because from the little I know winholdem couldn't make an option to change its process name in real time by the customer. Which would eliminate the options they have to look for.
~Justin Rollo


[/ QUOTE ]

Well, if WinHoldem is an executable program, the user can just rename the executable, which would make it more difficult to detect. However, if Party's anti-bot programmers were motivated enough they could dig deeper into each running process to find more identifying executable signature information. At that point, the detective work starts becoming cat-and-mouse, and I don't think they want to spend that much effort on it. Most of these clowns are lifetime losers anyway; the auto-play bots just speed them towards inevitability.

[partyismad]

Where in the T&C's does it say they take screenshots of your computer and spy on you??????

[cov47]

Something tells me they're not randomly taking photos of everybody's desktop. More like, they watch for you to play 30 tables from the same IP range for 20 straight hours playing the exact same cards in the exact same way. Only then do they discover your porn stash, your illegally downloaded mp3s, and steal all your passwords and bank account info.

[junkmail3]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah because Joe Shmoe indian tech support making 6 bucks an hour (american) has a real stake in that 700 million a year. God you are one dum moeffer.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you're speaking of USD:
"Over 400 million people in India live below the internationally agreed poverty line (living on less than US $1 per day)."

Then they still have a lose. This is $48/day. That's huge! Equivalent of something like $576,000/year. Not too bad.

If you're speaking of Indian currency, it's Indian rupee, not dollars.

OMFG, you're such a moron!

[partyismad]

Something tells you??

What the hell tells you anything about their practices??

God you probably voted Bush!

[AustinDoug]

Why are people responding to this troll? He registered this user identity 2 minutes before making this post, instructing us to write to PartyPoker tech support. Clearly, he go busted cheating with a bot which no skillful player would advocate because it will dry up the games.

The simple solution is if you don't like the way Party runs its' site, play somewhere else.

[cov47]

[ QUOTE ]
Something tells you??

What the hell tells you anything about their practices??

God you probably voted Bush!

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus spoke to me directly. Don't try to argue with Jesus.

[froggy527]

I did e-mail them and thanked them for cracking down
on you cheating bastards!!!!!!

[partyismad]

No I do not use winholdem. I just heard about this misguided invasion of privacy and wanted to get out the word to the poker community so I quickly through up an account here.

I quit posting here long ago because of pedantic rigid-thinking illogical people like yourself. I won't be back so you won't have to deal with me for long.

[fluff]

Oh boohooo...what's the matter did they catch you cheating?

Thanks for the e-mail link. I'll send them an e-mail and urge them to crack down even harder on these punks (for example: confiscate monies immediately instead of giving warnings).

[Losing all]

You''ll be missed, cheater. Get hit be a bus.

[Iplayragstoo]

Your a tool. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Losing all]

I agree, and I'm doing the same. Warning these scumbags doesn't cut it. Set an example

[Phill S]

its funny. you dont read here, but you created this thread within HOURS of a thread on here talking bout the problem and how its being solved.

as for how i know its in the T&Cs, i read it first on the winholdem sites' forum. it may have been in the other thread too (scroll down the main forum page, itll show up eventually, its the only one with winholdem in the title). i refuse to link to it, but google it, its actually pretty eye opening reading, just like that site linked to earlier which talked in detail about how cheating takes place in poker.

on the whole the program is a pretty amazing solution. its strength is its main weakness, its too rigid, and takes too much end-user input to make it work reliably. there are very few ppl whove coded it to work at high buy in games.

most interesting was the thread where someone asked to buy code that makes it win 1$ per hour. it didnt say what limit this was in. however it goes to show it isnt fool proof.

Phill

[busguy]

[ QUOTE ]
No I do not use winholdem. I just heard about this misguided invasion of privacy and wanted to get out the word to the poker community so I quickly through up an account here.

I quit posting here long ago because of pedantic rigid-thinking illogical people like yourself. I won't be back so you won't have to deal with me for long.

[/ QUOTE ]

Great. Now consider your job done and go the fawk away !!

/images/graemlins/cool.gif busguy

[6471849653]

Parties have always been thinking way too much with their arse. Instead of doing what should be done and what is right and legal, they do whatever they want.