Would you pay for sex if the girl was hot?

[Lawrence Ng]

So let's say you sitting at a bar, a club, and a beautiful and sexy woman approaches you. You're horny and you wanna f**k her. She says, " $400 and we're businesss. "

Do you do it?

[ilya]

Sure, if I wanted to.
I can't imagine I'd want to though, she'd have to be incredibly hot for me not to get completely turned off by the money thing.

[Tyler Durden]

I've thought about starting a similar thread.

When you think about how much effort you have to put forth to sleep with a really hot woman, paying for it sounds so much better. Problem is, paying for sex is the equivalent of totally giving up and admitting that you can't get laid on your own merits. Sooooo I guess that's why I've never done it.

I should point out tho, that if I were in a bar and some hot chick offered to pay me to sleep with her, I wouldn't have a problem with it. And it's happened a number of times (hey, zero is a number).

[spamuell]

I can understand doing it out of lust, but I think I would hate myself afterwards, so I don't think I'd do it.

[BusterStacks]

how much?

[scotnt73]

if i was single i still wouldnt. not out of any morals or anything like that im just scared of diseases

[Blarg]

I think a helluva lot would depend on my mood at the time, my energy level, and how much I'd had to drink. I've never done that before, but I've thought about it. I don't think I could say yes or no for sure until I was in that situation. I'm not worried about right or wrong so much because I think that's a personal matter when it comes to things like prostitution and gambling and drugs, but I would worry about disease.

She'd have to have some solid charm about her, though -- maybe beauty would be enough, but maybe not. Some really beautiful women come off the wrong way and it's a huge turn-off, and some pretty average looking women have so much charm every guy wants them.

Whole lotta ifs, really. Especially the "if" of my ever being able to think $400 was trivial.

[chabibi]

I think it would be a real shot to my ego

[Lawrence Ng]

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When you think about how much effort you have to put forth to sleep with a really hot woman, paying for it sounds so much better. Problem is, paying for sex is the equivalent of totally giving up and admitting that you can't get laid on your own merits. Sooooo I guess that's why I've never done it.

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Well, there is some ego here at stake as I will understand. Personally, I see it as a business transaction and provided the service is good I am willing to pay. Is it morally wrong? Maybe. But then again, is it morally wrong for a girl who busts a guy's heart and takes everything including the dog away from him?

I've gone out on a lot of dates with a lot of nice girls. Spent anywhere from $50 to $150 on a first date depending on what we do, where we eat, what events we go to after. 9 out of 10 times I don't even get a good night kiss. 7 out of 10 times I never hear back.

So why not spend a little more, have a good time with a beautiful girl who will make me feel like a man, and then I will get her to go down on me after no questions asked. It's a pretty good deal.

Lawrence

[Lawrence Ng]

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how much?

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Most escorts, prostitutes charge $300 - $500 I assume depending on which city you live in.

You make enough Bruiser to spend on one.

[Ulysses]

You got mad issues w/ women, son.

[nothumb]

Lawrence, this hooker fixation of yours is kind of serious. Sounds like you're getting dates with the wrong kind of women, too.

Once, I went to this Mexican strip joint. My girlfriend knew I was there, with a friend of ours who is practically married, so I guess she figured it would be okay. For some reason I doubt she'd feel the same way here in the USA.

Anyway, long story short, customs are a little different in Mexico, and the stripper tried to suck me off in the little booth. She was really kind of busted; if you figure that most strip clubs (excluding a place like Vegas) draw women roughly in the middle quintile for that particular region (especially a full nude) the middle quintile in rural Mexico is, well, better suited to household chores if you ask me.

So, long story short, I did not let the stripper blow me, but I did have the following revelations:

1. Without fear of disease, bankruptcy or capture, I definitely would have.
2. Women who are not hot at all are much hotter when slapping their breasts firmly against your face.
3. It was only after I left the joint that I remembered that, "Solo con su mano. Cuanto cuesta?" is well within my Spanish vocabulary.

This leads me to believe that if a really hot woman was hitting on me in a bar, or a club, and gave me a raging hard-on first, I might pay to do her. Assuming I was single and had the money, or at least dissatisfied with my girlfriend and a week or two away from having to pay rent.

However, being frankly approached in this manner prior to any other advance would not do it for me. I like at least the illusion of conquest.

NT

[Toro]

Part of the excitement of having sex with a hot woman is knowing she's attracted to and wants you too. That's missing when you pay.

[The once and future king]

If they were young and hot say 19-24 I would def consider it.

As one ages more and more into ones 30s young nubile women become more and more attractive and unnatainable.

I woulod have no moral issues about it, in fact the fact I was paying for it may add to the dirty filth factor or nasty sex as I think you yanks call it.

I dont see why it has anything to do with your ego unless you doubt your abilty to attract and pull women.

I dont think I would want a meaningfull relationship with anyone in the 19-24 age range, so just paying for a casual sexual encounter seems the most rational approach.

I dont see why there are so many issues surrounding this transaction.

[BeerMoney]

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Part of the excitement of having sex with a hot woman is knowing she's attracted to and wants you too. That's missing when you pay.

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This is right on the mark... Another part of banging a hot chick is telling your friends about it. There's not much to brag about if you paid for it.

[Ulysses]

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Part of the excitement of having sex with a hot woman is knowing she's attracted to and wants you too. That's missing when you pay.

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This is right on the mark... Another part of banging a hot chick is telling your friends about it. There's not much to brag about if you paid for it.

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Also, the "thrill of the chase."

[Boris]

Don't forget the thrill of hot poontang. I'm payin baby!

[Bubbagump]

$400 is a bargain if the chick is really smokin'.

Bubbagump

[junkmail3]

I put $400 on the table and say, "2:1 I last longer than you do."

Then it's a wager ... and I'm not paying.

[GuyOnTilt]

Also, the "thrill of the chase."

This is the biggest thing for me. There just no freaking way I can see myself paying to hook up with a girl, hot or not. PAYING??!! Why in the world would I do that? Not only would it take the fun and thrill out of everything (I'm not just talking about the sex), but I'd feel like a....loser. It'd be pretty self-degrading.

GoT

[SpicyF]

Where's the "HELL YES!"-option?

[Sponger15SB]

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Where's the "HELL YES!"-option?

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Its right next to the "I have a shitload of money, no self respect, and no game" option

[tolbiny]

"I dont see why there are so many issues surrounding this transaction"

Two words.

V D

[GuyOnTilt]

Wow. I had abstained from voting until just now, because the reasoning behind the No option wasn't really for me. But I gave in and voted now, and I cannot believe that the Yes option is winning. Blows my mind. Seriously guys, how hard is it to hook up with a hot girl? And no, the answer should not depend on how much spare cash you have on your person. I guess if you don't care about being attractive to the opposite sex, that is not enough to work on it, then choosing yes makes sense. But there's more freaking yes votes than no votes!!! Are you joking me?! Maybe I've always underestimated the nerd factor of 2+2. Or maybe I underestimate how many guys just want pussy and don't care about the other stuff involved with meeting a girl, early dating stages, and the exicement those things entail. Or maybe both.

GoT

[SpicyF]

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Where's the "HELL YES!"-option?

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Its right next to the "I have a shitload of money, no self respect, and no game" option

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And your point is?

[Sponger15SB]

Sorry I guess I didn't make it clear enough that I was trying to insult you, my bad.

[SpicyF]

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Sorry I guess I didn't make it clear enough that I was trying to insult you, my bad.

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Lost in translation sorry. Next time just make [INSULT] at the top or bottom of your reply and I will know.

[SpicyF]

I would say the poll is so very leading, that is why you are getting a high yes. Additonally dont forget the poll was made in a pokerforum.

[AngryCola]

I abstain, due to this provision in the "yes" option:
"...no one would catch me."

Maybe I want to be caught? Ever think of that? Where is the fun in not being caught??! /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/spade.gif

[Duke]

Yes. Do you see why?

I have more issues with women than anyone else in the world, though.

~D

[Lawrence Ng]

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You got mad issues w/ women, son.

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Congratulations, after 966 posts of mine you figured that out Diablo.

[spamuell]

GoT,

For the record, I voted no, so this isn't some sort of defensive thing that I feel the need to post.

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Seriously guys, how hard is it to hook up with a hot girl?

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Seriously, if you're not good looking yourself (or very rich or have a 10 inch penis or a 7 inch tongue or some other remarkable feature), it's almost impossible to hook up with a really good looking girl.

I'm not saying, "argh, life is worthless if you aren't good looking" or anything like that, one prioritises based on one's own abilities so I don't really see it as much of an issue, but you're wrong if you think it's not extremely difficult for most guys to hook up with a very good looking woman.

EDITED TO ADD: Btw, keep posting in SS! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Blarg]

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As one ages more and more into ones 30s young nubile women become more and more attractive and unnatainable.

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Actually, a huge percentage of women are absolutely fine with older men, and many outright like them more.

If -- and it's a really big if in our lazy-arse, self-indulgent world -- you keep yourself in reasonable shape, a lot of women out there are looking for older guys. They like them because they want to settle down, or want to be with someone more mature or experienced, or they want to be with someone who has his life settled in and isn't wondering anymore who he is or when he'll be who he is.

A huge percentage of women adore security and a sense of smooth, reliable confidence, and you don't get much of that with a young guy.

And frankly, some just want a father figure.

I have no trouble going anywhere and seeing young women with older guys, whether married, dating, whatever. In fact, if the guy has a little money, it's extremely common that he has girlfriends and wives that are younger and more attractive(by far, usually) than he is.

If you're a 40 year old slob, like so many 40 year olds probably are, or if you're a 40 year old jerk, things may be different, though money can do a LOT to fix even that. But younger women liking older men is extremely common.

[NLSoldier]

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or very rich or have a 10 inch penis or a 7 inch tongue or some other remarkable feature

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Wow, I did not know chicks were that into a long tongue. I'm pretty sure mine is well above average, I guess I need to start showing it off more?

[spamuell]

Wow, I did not know chicks were that into a long tongue.

I used to know this girl whose mother was the just such a milf, the hottest one out of like anyone in the area. Her husband was a short, fat and ugly guy with a really long and thick tongue. I'm not joking, it's pretty obvious why.

[Boris]

You must be girl.

[gonores]

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or some other remarkable feature),

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You mean like 1 oz of self-confidence? If you ask anyone here who has met me, I'm certain they will tell you I'm not remarkably attractive or unattractive, and I make it a point not to bring up my financial situation whenever possible, but I pull enough quality wool to get through life without having to deal with the hassles of maintaining an actual girlfriend.

5. Smell good
4. Make female friend tell you what to wear and how to wear it
3. Be funny
2. Listen more than you talk. Ask 2x more questions than she does.
1. Convince yourself that she is the lucky one to be talking to you (but don't let her in on the secret)

With your mindset, I can guarantee you won't get a lot of action in your life because you will constantly find flaws in yourself and that makes you put her at a higher level than you. Chicks can't stand that.

[NLSoldier]

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I used to know this girl whose mother was the just such a milf, the hottest one out of like anyone in the area. Her husband was a short, fat and ugly guy with a really long and thick tongue. I'm not joking, it's pretty obvious why.

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Whoa, that is great news. Fortunately I am not short, fat and ugly. But it is still good news. Im not really sure how long my tongue is, but it is pretty nimble as well. For example, I can get the tip of my tongue to reach back into my throat, behind the hang-ball thingy, and up into my nasal cavity, where I can use it to do things like dig phlegm out of my nose/throat or even block the airway to one nostril at a time. Pretty cool huh? Can anyone else do this kind of stuff? Like even get your tongue behind your hang-ball thing at least?

[NLSoldier]

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You mean like 1 oz of self-confidence? If you ask anyone here who has met me, I'm certain they will tell you I'm not remarkably attractive or unattractive, and I make it a point not to bring up my financial situation whenever possible, but I pull enough quality wool to get through life without having to deal with the hassles of maintaining an actual girlfriend.

5. Smell good
4. Make female friend tell you what to wear and how to wear it
3. Be funny
2. Listen more than you talk. Ask 2x more questions than she does.
1. Convince yourself that she is the lucky one to be talking to you (but don't let her in on the secret)

With your mindset, I can guarantee you won't get a lot of action in your life because you will constantly find flaws in yourself and that makes you put her at a higher level than you. Chicks can't stand that.

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This is excellent advice from Mr. Gonores.

You guys can find more good info like this at www.fastseduction.com (http://www.fastseduction.com) -a website that someone posted on this forum the other day.

[spamuell]

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With your mindset

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You don't know anything about my mindset.

I do all the stuff you mentioned* and I have lots of female friends. It's just that, as far as I'm aware, none of them want to sleep with me. Whatever, though, the point of my reply was not for it to be about my or anyone else's personal life.

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Chicks can't stand that.

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Wtf? They're people, not some monolithic group who all like and dislike the same stuff. I know a couple of girls who are into that.

EDITED TO ADD: Except the first thing about thinking she's incredibly lucky to be talking to me, that just seems arrogant.

[Blarg]

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you're wrong if you think it's not extremely difficult for most guys to hook up with a very good looking woman.

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I think this is very true.

It's hard to see if you have money, though. You can be literally born into a position of extreme attractiveness even if you're physically ugly, if you're a man. I've known a lot of rich guys and powerful guys, and women were just falling all over them like rain in a hurricane. Sometimes with a desperation and intensity I can only describe as truly frightening. I've rarely seen anyone with money or power who can keep it in perspective and understand its effect on themselves and on other people through and through. Kind of like a boss who gets every lame joke laughed at, you can think yourself a totally different person than everyone else does, and misunderstand everyone else, if the deck is stacked in your favor.

And few people with the deck stacked in their favor ever come close to acknowledging how much.

The fact is, most guys are playing catch up to those guys and fighting for their left-overs. Most guys aren't that wealthy or powerful.

So they try to catch up and substitute with make up with what they have. But most aren't that good looking. Most aren't that funny or charming. Most guys probably aren't fantastic lovers. Most probably aren't all that great with women, either. Most don't have a super-abundance of the assets or qualities that attract and keep women. For the average guy, the chances of getting together with women of any particular attractiveness is quite a numbers game, that is well stacked against them, as those women tend to be looking for precisely the kind of guy they are NOT. And stacked thousands deep in the process.

Yet men still don't want to be alone. And they still don't want to be with women they find unattractive.

It's a funny thing -- most people trying for something a little better than what they think they deserve, which is someone who is so often also trying to get a little better still, and certainly better than them. They could perhaps have reasonable fullfilment exactly where they are, but most are probably trying for the most desireable or attractive partners at the top, who have so many options to choose from that they probably have next to no understanding either how lucky they are or what regular old normal life is like for people not at the top of the pyramid. Everybody all along the chain to the top wants what they can't have, except for those who have everything and probably don't even know what it's worth.

And sometimes strivers get to whatever their top level is going to be only to find they're not nearly as special there as they would like to be, at all.

The fact of the world is that most people are average, and so are their prospects, at best.

Things that the lucky or gifted take for granted are worlds away from almost everyone else.

[bernie]

You always pay for sex with someone. Maybe not monetarily, but you still pay something. It's never really 'free'.

b

[Cosimo]

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EDITED TO ADD: Except the first thing about thinking she's incredibly lucky to be talking to me, that just seems arrogant.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's a fine line between arrogance and confidence, and most people can't tell the difference. That's why clueless management fucks can find investors but honest men have a hard time. An investor doesn't want to hear about the risks; he wants to be seduced by your confidence. A savvy investor will dig a bit further, but of course most money people are just as stupid as everyone else.

Confidence requires self esteem. Given that most people are stupid asshats, I think most posters in this forum are well above average. If you have only average self-esteem, then, that's a big problem.

Chicks dig confidence. Nice, considerate, and respectful guys who are too neurotic to think they're a good find ("i'm not attractive, my dick isn't 10", and my tongue is nothing exceptional") are the reason why it doesn't take much effort to score with hot chicks.

[Cosimo]

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The fact is, most guys are playing catch up to those guys and fighting for their left-overs. Most guys aren't that wealthy or powerful.

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Chicks don't dig wealth and power; they dig arrogant outlaw bikers with forearm tattoos.

Do you see why?

[Leo99]

What about if you asked a really hot chick you used to work with for a date and she said yes. Then she asked where are you taking me? Then she asked if your goal was to bed her. Of course I replied "yes." Then she asked how much you planned to spend on the date in order to achieve your goal. Then she asked you to instead of spending money on the date, just to give the money and she'd put out?

I went on two "dates" with her!