Fish, or no? $215 hand for review

[Chief911]

The villian and I chatted about this hand for a while afterwards. This is a somewhat standard play for me. Although it is also very dependant on PFR% stats I have on villian (Which in this case was none).

Thoughts?

***** Hand History for Game 1193227058 *****
harvey16 finished in eighth place.
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7273351) - Thu Nov 18 14:15:18 EST 2004
Table Table 14454 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: JEEPWJ1 (2715)
Seat 2: bmhamm (510)
Seat 4: ComeOnKid (1935)
Seat 5: JesseTroyn (955)
Seat 8: aks47 (630)
Seat 9: ru1i2m1 (830)
Seat 10: bobjr22 (2425)
bobjr22 posts small blind (25)
JEEPWJ1 posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ru1i2m1 [ 9d, 9c ]
bmhamm folds.
ComeOnKid folds.
JesseTroyn raises (175) to 175
aks47 folds.
ru1i2m1 raises (830) to 830
ru1i2m1 is all-In.
bobjr22 folds.
JEEPWJ1 folds.
JesseTroyn calls (655)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, 4c, Ac ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
Creating Main Pot with $1735 with ru1i2m1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1735 |
Board: [ 2d 4c Ac 9h Ah ]
JEEPWJ1 balance 2665, lost 50 (folded)
bmhamm balance 510, didn't bet (folded)
ComeOnKid balance 1935, didn't bet (folded)
JesseTroyn balance 125, lost 830 [ Jh Jc ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- Ac,Ah,Jh,Jc,9h ]
aks47 balance 630, didn't bet (folded)
ru1i2m1 balance 1735, bet 830, collected 1735, net +905 [ 9d 9c ] [ a full house, Nines full of aces -- Ac,Ah,9d,9c,9h ]
bobjr22 balance 2400, lost 25 (folded)

[Bigwig]

I like this play. 99 against the range of hands you're up against from a typical button raiser gives you a solid edge, (somewhere around 3:2, IMO). That's good enough for a reraise/push.

[adanthar]

By this point, I almost always have enough info in PT to know what his VP$IP and PFR tend to be, then go by that.

With no read...I dunno. I push tens but have either CCd or mucked nines and eights. My play with them needs work /images/graemlins/confused.gif I'd be much more inclined to push AK here.

[lorinda]

He either has great notes on you or it's a pretty bad call.

Lori

[Chief911]

He doesnt have notes with me, or I'd have notes on him. And I just moved to Empire, so new username.

Nick

[willie]

[ QUOTE ]
I like this play. 99 against the range of hands you're up against from a typical button raiser gives you a solid edge, (somewhere around 3:2, IMO). That's good enough for a reraise/push.

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am i reading this wrong or is the raiser in emp and the pusher one off the button.

it worked out well but i think it's a pretty risky play.....

let me elaborate

using a line from the foxwoods tourney poster

- if you get called it's either a cointoss or you're a huge dog-

calling would have been the worst play since you would have to fold to a bet on that flop, although villain may have checked to you.

so it's basically all in or fold i believe, and an argument can be made for either.

[Daliman]

I think Chief's play is fine, as is the call by Jesse preflop. JJ is a fine hand to go to war with with only 680 left if you fold at this level, in my opinion. Too many people will push ATs-AKS, 55(yes 55)-AA, and even KQs here, or if they're REALLY bad, 99.......

[raptor517]

ive seen jess around quite a lot, and he/she plays pretty solid in my opinion. doesnt screw around early, plays quit tight, and understands good pot odds and decent stealing. i agree with dali, both plays were fine.

[morgan180]

I don't play at this level but does the fact that Dali pushed from the button make it easier to call than to walk away from JJ?

[OneStuckFish]

If I were you. Would have pushed. If I were him...would have folded.

[Daliman]

Well, i think you have it a bit backwards. Unless you're commenting on Lori's comment, JJ is the hand ON the button, and therefore the hand calling in this situation.

Also, i would NEVER open-raise allin with JJ, or any hand for that matter, at this stage in this kind of situatuion.

[morgan180]

Sorry - I was remarking on Lorinda's comment. Essentially the generic question of:

Do you extend the range of hands you put the button on from an all-in push after a standard raise? Or do you you tighten it? Which would make the villan more or less correct to call with a hand like JJ.

Thanks,