Would you fold this ?

[sourbeaver]

No converter, this is from memory.

Party NL 50

Villain (UTG+1) 70
Hero (CO) 60

Villain raises (1) to 2
Hero calls (2) with 66
No one else to the flop.

FLOP (pot 5,50) : A63 rainbow

Villain bets 7
Hero raises 8 to 15
Villain goes all-in

I thought AK/AQ was very likely, folks will stack with
these more often than not. So I call.

rag rag .. he flips AA

Would you fold that set ?
A strong point could be made that the raise all-in probably meant I was done, but as I said I've seen many players back TPTK with their stack at these limits.

[Richie Rich]

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Would you fold this?

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No.


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I've seen many players back TPTK with their stack at these limits.

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Exactly.

[BobboFitos]

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Would you fold that set ?

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no.

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I thought AK/AQ was very likely, folks will stack with
these more often than not. So I call.

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there you go

[BobboFitos]

just saw that richie's post and mine were nearly identical... sorta creepy

[sourbeaver]

Haha I read them and went "uh, okay, no fold I guess"

[leykis]

Wow this is a very strange hand for two reasons.

1. The min raise pf from EP with Aces is very bad because at this limit a min raise is likely to get like 6 callers. Im assuming this is not 6 max if it is the min raise is not quite as bad.

2. Then he leads out and overbets the pot on an A rag rag rainbow flop. I would put him on Ace rag at this point and raise exactly as you did. When he pushes I would assume that he paired his rag maybe A3 or A6 and would gladly call. There is no way to get away from this hand as there is only one hand that beats you and it happens to destroy you and he happend to flip it.

At this limit there is no way you can lay down here.

I usually play 50NL full ring and let me give you an example of a hand that shows that you cannot lay this down at this level.

I am in the BB with 66.

MP raises to 4 pf.

3 callers including me.

MP has about 200 behind. I have about 250.

Flop 3 6 10 rainbow.

I check.

He bets out 7.

All fold to me.

I raise to 20.

He raises to 75.

I say ok lets do this big stack and push.

He insta calls.

I think I just lost 200 dollars to 10 10.

He shows me JJ.

I laugh and drag a 400 dollar pot.

I mean JJ really. What did he think I held that he beat?

A10. The guy had been playing with me for 4 hrs. He should have known that I would not even have called his pf raise with A10.

So you lost set to set. It will happen somtimes. There is no way you could fold here and say with any confidence that you just knew you were up against Aces. Unless of course you were Phil Helmuth, in which case you would have seen this hand coming before you sat down and thus declined to play that day. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[fimbulwinter]

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No converter, this is from memory.

Party NL 50

Villain (UTG+1) 70
Hero (CO) 60

Villain raises (1) to 2
Hero calls (2) with 66
No one else to the flop.

FLOP (pot 5,50) : A63 rainbow

Villain bets 7
Hero raises 8 to 15
Villain goes all-in

I thought AK/AQ was very likely, folks will stack with
these more often than not. So I call.

rag rag .. he flips AA

Would you fold that set ?
A strong point could be made that the raise all-in probably meant I was done, but as I said I've seen many players back TPTK with their stack at these limits.

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you should really fold if raised when holding anything but the pure nuts.

examples include:

-AA on a board of A44. you're drawing nearly dead against 44. fold if anyone even calls a bet you make.

-AK/images/graemlins/heart.gif on a board of 467/images/graemlins/heart.gif. this one's an easy fold; he obviously has 58/images/graemlins/heart.gif if he plays the hand.

-AA on an AA24 board where three of the cards are of the same suit. don't wanna chance it.

i mean holdem, unlike omaha, pineapple etc. is a game of nut hands. unless you have the pure nuts for the board and have no chance of being outdrawn, you really shouldn't bet or call, just fold it outright.


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[creedofhubris]

Don't fold a set in a raised pot.

Consider folding a set in an unraised pot.

This was a raised pot.

[ML4L]

n/m

[sourbeaver]

err .. n/m ?

[sourbeaver]

Comedy. oh.

[ML4L]

"n/m" just meant that there was nothing to my post other than what I wrote in the subject. I can go into more detail if you want, but the basic idea is that this dude will have AK or something here so much more often than AA that folding isn't an option.

ML4L