Am I Too Aggressive with <10XBB - Help Please

[Unarmed]

First off, does this distribution look ok?

1st - 14.6%
2nd - 19.1%
3rd - 10.0%
4th - 16.4%
5th - 13.6%
6th - 9.1%
7th - 8.2%
8th - 8.2%
9th - 0.9%

ROI is down to a dismal 23%.
I think one of my main problems is overaggression 5 or 6 handed with just under 10xBB. For example:

6 handed. You're in the CO with Ax and 1300, blinds 75/150, folded to you. Typical $5 opponents. What does x need to be to push here?
Honestly, I've been dropping the hammer with any ace.

Way too aggressive? Help me fix my mid-stages game please, I'm real close to switching to ring games /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[jonoo]

theres alot of factors involved with that decision. i dont think theres a definate x card where u push 100% of the time unless another A, even then it might be better to try and trap the blinds somewhat. but i would prob fold that alot of the time if one or both of the blinds have me covered and the other two were short stacked (&gt;600 or so). on the other hand if the blinds were the short stack id prob put them all in most of the time. but thats just my opinion and it could be totally wrong and that could be why i have trouble sometimes in similar spots like that.

[Unarmed]

Sorry, assume Button, SB, and BB have you covered.

[ilya]

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6 handed. You're in the CO with Ax and 1300, blinds 75/150, folded to you. Typical $5 opponents. What does x need to be to push here?

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course "it depends" but very roughly I would say down to about A9o/A7s.
This may be too tight, but if it is, I'm pretty sure it's not by a lot. If people think I'm way off, though, I'd love to hear about it.

[Lloyd]

I think a lot of it comes down to how much of an edge do you personally need in order to push. Against 3 random hands:

A7o gives you about a 5% advantage
A9o gives you about a 10% advantage
A2s gives you about a 6% advantage
A7s gives you about a 10% advantage

A big theme that I've read here is pushing small edges. It's probably a personal decision as to what you consider to be enough to put all your chips on the line. I would certainly consider a 10% advantage pretty significant.

[ChrisV]

It has to be AT.

8-10 BB is a real danger zone. If you're raising, it's often better to push as you can't stomach folding a reraise. However your risk/reward ratio is all messed up. The blinds aren't big enough to justify losing a stack that size. I'm relatively pretty tight with 8-10BB, 6-8 is a medium aggression area, and less than 6 and I'm very aggressive.

[lorinda]

One of my only arguments about the 'standard' numbers on this forum is the 10x BB rule.

I still maintain that at low limits this should be the 7xBB rule or even the 5x BB rule.

With your stack there, in a $5 game, I can happily raise to 400 and release to a reraise.

From my experience, if they are going to call 250, they will call the whole lot enough times to make it not worth pushing.
Most are not sophisticated enough to realise you are leaving the door open to fold.

Remember, you can type numbers into the raise box, it doesnt have to be units of 150.

Others will disagree with me, I feel you should try a mix of everything and find your own way.

Edit: This post refers to small x.


Lori

[Unarmed]

Thanks for all the replies.

Here's another example:
UTG 1820
CO 3335
Button 2140
SB 5295
Hero (BB) 910

Blinds 50-100
I have A8o

UTG calls
MP calls
SB calls
I push

Is this suicidal?
If the answer is an obvious yes then I found my leak.

[ilya]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for all the replies.

Here's another example:
UTG 1820
CO 3335
Button 2140
SB 5295
Hero (BB) 910

Blinds 50-100
I have A8o

UTG calls
MP calls
SB calls
I push

Is this suicidal?
If the answer is an obvious yes then I found my leak.

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IMO, "Wow, yes. This is suicidal."

When I said "A9o/A7s," I was talking about when you are first in.

With the not-nearly-desperate 9xbb stack here, I would need at least AJo to push. I might not even push that.

The problem with pushing a hand like A8o at this level is that these fellas will make bad calls with marginal hands that nonetheless beat you. With 3 limpers, it's just too likely that one of them will decide he wants to GAMBOOL...or to "snap off your bluff" with ATo.

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for all the replies.

Here's another example:
UTG 1820
CO 3335
Button 2140
SB 5295
Hero (BB) 910

Blinds 50-100
I have A8o

UTG calls
MP calls
SB calls
I push

Is this suicidal?
If the answer is an obvious yes then I found my leak.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is one of my favorite things to do at the $50 level.

At the $5 level...no.

[lorinda]

In the games you are playing, there are too many people that are blissfully unaware of what you are trying to represent to make this play.

The 44 and A9s of this world aren't folding here.

Excuse me for being a little harsh, but when reading posts, (and this goes for everyone) it is CRITICAL that you read the limit the hand was played at.
I will often give directly opposing advice to myself about an identical hand played at a different limit.

Lori

[ChrisV]

This is a better push than the first example, at least in the 200's where I play. I pick up the pot here seriously like 85-90% of the time.

[raptor517]

at the 200s you get about 10 times as much fold equity here as you would in a 5 dollar tourney