exposing cards penalty?

i am an austrian player, started one year ago with poker and have been very lucky in tournaments now for half a year with an very aggressive style. yesterday i made my biggest mistakes ever and closed 5th when i came to the finaltable as chipleader with t220000 from total t540000. 5th place us $2400; 4th $3200; 2nd $6800; 1st $13600. limit holdem/stud mixed.


question: game: limit holdem; 10.000/20.000 blinds 5.000/10.000 8 players left; i (t210.000) on the button with 7-10o raise to steal the blinds; sb folds; bb (t17000) raises all in and turns over his cards.: jack-queen o and the floorman warns him; i call and lose the pot.


the rule in this casino is: if you expose your cards its up to the floorman to decide whether you influence the game. whats the rule in your country?

The most common rule a few years ago was the exposed hand was dead. Nowadays, most often the rule seems to be the hand is live, but the player receives a time penalty afterwards (10-20 minutes away from the table).


later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

this one looks just like it was a mistake on his part so maybe a a warning is justified. remember when headup its always to your advantage if your opponent shows his cards. but it may be to the disadvantage of those not in the hand, that is why the rule is such. i like rules to be more hard fast as i dont trust all floorpersons ability to make a proper judgement especially when its could be for alot of money.

Hmmm Rounder,


This is an easy call, IMO. In fact, he should call with any 2 cards especially once he sees QJo.


Even against overcards he is about a 3:2 - 2:1 dog. So the pot has T15K in blinds, hero raises to 20K and the BB pushes in his last 17K (assuming the 17K figure is after posting the BB). So there is T52K in the pot and he has to call 7K. He is getting 52:7 so 6.4:1. Heck, he should even call if the opponent shows him AA since then, he would be about only a 4.3:1 dog.


Nicolas Fradet (ThePrince)

Mogli,


I play in Northern California here in the States. Usually, when you expose your cards, they are dead. However, in tournament play, when one player goes all in and there is only one other player who does not have to act (the all-in player was last to act), BOTH players will turn over their cards and the dealer will finish the board. The dealer will usually say "Player all in, both players turn over your cards". If it's the final table, the Floorman should be standing behind the table and he/she will sometimes call it as well.


Also, if play folds all the way around the table pre-flop, during limit games the small blind can ask the big blind if he/she wants to "chop", which basically means "Do you want to pull your blind back and we'll just move along to the next hand." You can't "chop" the blinds in tournament play.


Each card room has different rules, maybe your player didn't know the rules where you were at. There's a move here in the States to make all of the tournmanet play rules the same and it's meeting with some success.


Good luck!

easy call against jq o(1:2)? sure!!

easy call against 1010(12:88) or jj(15:85)? no!


even if the potodds (7,4:1) justify, i dont call.

i prefer to be a small dog not a big one. i have plenty of chips i dont need do depend on one very lucky pot (against 1010 to win you have to have very much luck!)


i attacked the blinds and the attack failed. if i put him on 1010 or jj which was possible the way he looked at his cards i would have folded {maybe ;-)} and saved 7000.


thank u for your comments. how i lost the tournament ill write soon with another question.