Two interesting notes for Seattle/WA area players

[nolanfan34]

OK, at least I thought they were interesting, as I haven't seen it mentioned on this part of the forum yet.

First, when I called Hawks Prairie Casino in Lacey Friday night to see what they were spreading, they mentioned they had a $50-$100 game going. I didn't end up going there, but I'll try to get some more info about how often it runs, maybe watch some of the play, etc. Might be worthwhile for you higher dollar Muck guys to make the drive if the game is good, to play with a few people who might not have a read on you.

Second, Little Creek Casino in Shelton (10 min. from Olympia), is going to start spreading a No Limit ring game on December 5th. $100 min, $300 max buy in, with a planned $2/$5 blinds. I believe Tulalip right now is the only other casino who regularly spreads this, so I thought it was interesting.

Little Creek also spreads a low limit $3/$6 Omaha H/L game Monday nights, after their H/L tournament, which I also thought was interesting. Probably one hell of a soft game, I'm going to check it out soon.

Just wanted to pass these tidbits along.

[nolanfan34]

One bump for the weekday crowd.

[Roy Hobbs]

This is great news -- now I won't have to play at the Reef when I come to visit my folks! Will you let me know what you learn about Hawks Prairie?

Thanks!

RH

[nolanfan34]

Sure. When I called, they were spreading if I remember correctly 3/6, 5/10, 10/20 and the 50/100. Hold Em only. I'm probably going to swing by this week sometime, details to come.

[stabn]

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Second, Little Creek Casino in Shelton (10 min. from Olympia), is going to start spreading a No Limit ring game on December 5th. $100 min, $300 max buy in, with a planned $2/$5 blinds. I believe Tulalip right now is the only other casino who regularly spreads this, so I thought it was interesting.


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Interesting. With 300 max stacks you are going to be up against the states 500$ max bet limit a lot more often than you are in the tulalip 100. Olympia is just a bit too far south for me to check it out though (i'm in bellevue). I'll definitely check it out the next time i drive to portland though, so thanks for the information /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[plaster8]

This might not belong here, but does anyone know a place that spreads $5-10 in the Seattle area? (Seeing that the Lacey casino spreads it reminded me to ask.) I haven't played at many of the casinos, just Great American and Billie's in Renton, as well as the Muck, and I haven't seen $5-10. I'd like to try it after playing $4-8 for a while. Thanks.

[slavic]

I haven't seen 5/10. The muck doesn't spread it because the white chipped 4/8 creates more action than a red chipped 5/10 would. Given the action difference between 10/20 and 20/40 I think they have a point.

You could play a 5/10 all white chips, but if you have ever played 30/60 with all red chips that just becomes a pain. I believe lil's had a 6/12 if your just looking to step up a level, from what I remeber play isn't all that different in any game in that room. Bring a oxygen bottle, you'll need it.

[plaster8]

Thanks. Think I might just stick with $4-8 for now. I've never played at Lil's, but I've been in there and didn't like the atmosphere for some reason. Wish I could agree with your $30-60 "red chips" comment, but that's a level I won't see for quite some time, if ever. It's fun to watch it at the Muck, though. Feels weird to be contemplating calling a $4 raise when you look to the table next to you and see someone with a full rack of green chips.

[truefox]

I've played 6/12 at Diamond Lil's, in Renton, south of the T/S airport. It's the only time I've ever played in a cardroom, but I felt I was much, much better treated than in the casino outside Chicago that I frequent. Excellent dealers by the way. They have 3/6 and 4/8, too. I waited hours to sit in the 12/24 game, but a seat never opened. I think they have something against red chips there. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ohkanada]

Ah, Little Creek was my casino of choice when I lived in the Olympia area. I remember a few years back they struggled to get 20 players for a tourney. From talking to a friend, they sell out 7 tables quite early now. And now they have NL, wow, how things change,

Ken

[nolanfan34]

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From talking to a friend, they sell out 7 tables quite early now.

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I haven't played in a tournament there yet, but I heard they even got close to 100 people for their Thursday NL tourney, and I'm trying to figure out how they do this with only 5 tables.

[slavic]

I think they have something against red chips there.

The state of Washington limits who can have "High limit" tables. So if your going to have a table with larger than a $25 bet you have to have special permission. (I believe it's $25) To the best of my knowledge only Indian Casinos can get this "permission".

[nolanfan34]

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I think they have something against red chips there.

The state of Washington limits who can have "High limit" tables. So if your going to have a table with larger than a $25 bet you have to have special permission. (I believe it's $25) To the best of my knowledge only Indian Casinos can get this "permission".

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Interesting. And Hawks Prairie isn't an Indian casino, making the $50/$100 claim even more questionable.

[slavic]

Interesting. And Hawks Prairie isn't an Indian casino, making the $50/$100 claim even more questionable.

Anything is possible, I know that the smaller Casinos have been begging for higher limit play for some time. They also want slots, but you see what happened there. The Tribes are going to defend their turf.

[Yeknom58]

50 play till they have 5
50 play till they have 5
10 person final table.

This is just a guess.

[KJS]

Max bet at Lils is $25; hence 12-24 HE.

KJS

[ohkanada]

From talking to the same friend, they play the tournies in a different room that has 10 tables.

Ken

[Roy Hobbs]

Wanted to bump this, because I'm coming home for the holidays. Nolanfan...did you ever determine the status of the Hawks Prairie game? I called there yesterday, and they said that they hadn't had a 6-12 game in the past three weeks, much less a 50-100 game. I called Little Creek, and they said that they have a list going for no limit, but that it doesn't always go.

If anyone has any details on these south sound games, I would appreciate it, because I'd rather not drive all the way up to the shoot.

Thanks,

Matt

[nolanfan34]

I haven't been to Hawks Prairie still. Sorry. We're heading out of town today, otherwise I'd try to check it out for you.

I do know that Little Creek has good tournaments at 7:00 most nights of the week, so maybe that's worth checking out. I don't know that they spread higher than 4-8 though.

[ThaSaltCracka]

when the hell did Hawks Prairie get a casino that didn't consists of pull tabs? I usually stop there on the way down to Portland, wtf, now they have Poker? weird.....

[pheasant tail (no 18)]

there's a 6-12 in Shoreline at a casino called "Lucky chances" I think. It is across the street from Parkers at 141st and Aurora. I think the game is pretty wild, as all games in Shoreline are. If you just want to play bigger, a 4-8 shoreline plays pretty big. 3 or 4 capped pots per lap is standard sometimes.

[bobbyi]

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if your going to have a table with larger than a $25 bet you have to have special permission. (I believe it's $25) To the best of my knowledge only Indian Casinos can get this "permission".

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Yeah. I heard that the limit is based on how much can go in on a signle round of betting, since that's considered one "wager". Games with wagers of $100 or more (which means a $25 bet, as you say) are "Class III" games and only Indian Casinos can spread those. The licensing for Class III dealers and tables is different than for lower games. There are actually specific "Class III tables" in the casino (even though the actual tables are all identical) and the gambling commission needs photographs of them on file and other things. This is why at Muck, you'll see $20/40 and up at tables like 9 and 13 (which are Class III tables), but never at a table like 7 (which is not). This is also the reason why you can't get overs buttons in the $10/20 game: allowing larger wagers would make it a Class III game and they aren't usually spreading it on a Class III table. It's very stupid. I think there are limits on how many Class III tables the casino can have, but I don't know the exact rules.

I had heard that for Indian casinos, the largest wager permitted is $500 (as opposed to $100 for non-Indian gambling), which is why that's the most that go in during a round of the Tulalip no limit games, even if the players have more chips than that (meaning they aren't technically no limit), and is why that's the max bet on tables games (I think). But Muck gets a $100/200 game sometimes, which would be illegal under those rules (since $800 can go in on the later streets), so there must be something I don't understand correctly.

I believe that these rules are also the reason why all games have a four bet cap even if it's heads up.

Edit: I realize I made a mistake above. It's not "wagers of $100 or more", it's wagers of more than $100. This is why $15/25 games are allowed in non-Indian cardrooms and have sometimes been spread.

[bobbyi]

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I think they have something against red chips there.

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According to one of the dealers there (Carolyn), they tried to spread a $10/20, and had a lot of trouble getting it going because their players were scared of playing with red chips. As soon as they tried a $12/24 with $2 chips instead, everyone loved it. That's obviously irrational, but it is a genuine phenomen and that the chip denominations used affect how and what people play.

[stabn]

Tommy has a good story about this on his site:


here (http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/the_poker_zoo.htm)