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[Jason Strasser]

After not playing the 200 sngs since the summer, I decided to get back into it. I've also been using pokertracker now, and have some rather lame stats so far.

123 Tournies, 12 1sts, 14 2nds, 20 3rds, 15 4ths, 20 5ths, ROI 7.35% +$1945. I expect though that the HU gods should stop punishing me, and my figure will be up to 13-17% where I expect it.

Anyhow, here is a hand that reminds me of some hands I posted a while back. This is my favorite spot in a sng.


4 handed, blinds 100/200
UTG has T800, button has T2400, SB has T3650, I have T3150 in the BB.

I'm dealt 4c2c. UTG folds, button makes it 500, SB folds, I push....

Button is on the LAG side, but a fairly reasonable player.

BTW, this is my standard play given these conditions. This type of spot, I estimate, comes up once in every 20-30 or so SNGs, but I could be way off.

-Jason

[Unarmed]

Does it matter what you have? /images/graemlins/grin.gif
BTW thanks for sharing this little trick, I never even considered it until reading one of your previous posts (89o was it?)

[Unarmed]

I think I may have overdone it here...was this stupid? Villain hasn't done anything idiotic yet.

$5 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed)

UTG (t4425)
Button (t920)
SB (t2875)
Hero (t5280)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t400</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t5280</font>, SB calls t2475 (All-In).

Flop: (t8155) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t8155) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t8155) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t8155

[betgo]

I don't care for this play, and I am not too fond of this move in general. If I have a big hand, I will probably open for a standard raise. Then of course I will call the push.

You want to make this play against a LAG big stack, and you really want something better than J6o or 42s, although a suited gapper is a good choice.

[mackthefork]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't care for this play, and I am not too fond of this move in general. If I have a big hand, I will probably open for a standard raise. Then of course I will call the push.

You want to make this play against a LAG big stack, and you really want something better than J6o or 42s, although a suited gapper is a good choice.

[/ QUOTE ]

No i disagree with you, there are good lags and bad lags, against certain players I can get away with this in 10+1s without a problem. The only cards that matter are the ones in the lags hand, if he doesn't have a monster he will fold if he is reasonable.

Regards Mack

[betgo]

Don't try this against me. I will make a pot odds call unless my raise was really marginal.

[mackthefork]

/images/graemlins/grin.gif You just try calling me with AQ man.

Grrrrrr!

Regards Mack

[Jason Strasser]

A9s is a big hand 4 handed. Do you call there?

In general, good players will open push, therefore limiting my ability to do this.

-Jason

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]

You just try calling me with AQ man.

Grrrrrr!

Regards Mack

[/ QUOTE ]

Aside from a smaller ace, I can't think of a single reasonable raising hand that wouldn't be getting pot odds to call against AQ.

Granted there is a certain amount of a game of chicken here. The original raiser may not want to risk busting out of a pretty certain cash finish.

I would be much more hesitant about trying this kind of reraise allin with a weak hand in a tournament, single table satellite, or shoot out. In a tournamment, I am looking for a chance to double up, because I will need a lot of chips to win.

[eastbay]

Strassa's play is SUICIDE in a $5+1. This sort of play starts to make sense around $55 and probably doesn't become particularly profitable until $215.

IMO.

eastbay

[mackthefork]

[ QUOTE ]
Strassa's play is SUICIDE in a $5+1. This sort of play starts to make sense around $55 and probably doesn't become particularly profitable until $215.


[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with the first part, however basically I would say if you try this against a horrible calling station/no idea sort they are going to call you with ATs and the like, however there are certain players at all limits capable of putting those hands down imo.

Regards Mack

[stupidsucker]

I think Eastbay hit it on the nose. As the limits go up, tricky moves like this become more valuable. I only like the move when you have a big stack, and with a smaller stack not in the hand. At the 5+1s the players are just too stupid to fold. I have been called by 22 in situations like this at the 30s. They think its a good call.

[betgo]

I haven't play in high buyin SNGs, but I have played in fairly high buyin tournaments. This kind of move wouldn't work in a small buyin SNG and it wouldn't work often enough in most tournament situations.

In a $215 SNG, aside from having a strong player willing to make a laydown, there is the psychology of not wanting to blow $400 third place money.

[Jason Strasser]

If you think that the money is a factor, just because its a $215 vs. a $30, you are probably wrong. Most of the players who play the 200 sngs would treat 200 as one buy in, just as a 30 sng player treats a 30 as one buy in. If the psychological effect of $200 gets to you, you are playing a limit too high.

-Jason