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AceCraig

11-12-2004, 12:35 AM

I can't beat the game. i'm playing 5/10 6 max. $5000 bankroll. I win a couple grand then loose it back. I get drawn out on alot.
I think i am tight aggresive. I make occacional loose calls.
I am working on game selection now.

The players are very loose and aggresive. I loose alot of blinds.
I raise with premium hands and miss the flop alot, then the bet into me with bottom pair, or a back door flush, or a gut shot.
Any tips for beating the 5/10. 6 max????

Scotch78

11-12-2004, 12:38 AM

Post specific hands and we'll help you go from there. My immediate advice is this, though: it seems like you're thinking about poker in too broad/general of terms.

Scott

AceCraig

11-12-2004, 12:42 AM

Thanks

Joe826

11-12-2004, 01:58 AM

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Any tips for beating the 5/10. 6 max????

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uhh play good? i love/hate that game (but mostly love). i think i'm finally starting to get the hang out of after around 30k hands (my BB/100 hands is a whopping .80). if you don't have a stomach for swings then you should quit. otherwise, i would post some of the more basic stats, such as VP$IP and PFR%. these aren't really useful for experienced players, but i think getting these in the right areas will really help you get the hang of the game (especially preflop, which is the easiest to fix).

joker122

11-12-2004, 05:06 AM

yes you can. post a han'

kiddo

11-12-2004, 06:31 AM

Post yout stats from Pokertracker. To bre honest I dont think 5/10 SH at Party are very aggressive. The problem for most players there is that they dont bet enough (both with and without hand).

etizzle

11-12-2004, 06:36 AM

like kiddo says, the key to beating the party 5/10 is moving your mouse to the right of the screen. At the right times.

spydog

11-12-2004, 08:10 AM

I found you in my database. Here is a hand from the DB.

The villian here had a PFR of 7%. You may not have known that at the time, though.

I would fold this preflop.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, CO raises, Button folds, AceCraig calls, Hero folds.

Flop: (5 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
AceCraig bets, CO raises, AceCraig 3-bets, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
AceCraig bets, CO calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
AceCraig bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between CO and AceCraig . > Pot won by CO (9.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
CO has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
AceCraig has As 2s (high card, ace).
Outcome: CO wins 9.50 BB. 

This hand exposes a pretty big leak:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP raises, CO calls, Button (AceCraig) calls, Hero folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets, AceCraig calls, MP calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, AceCraig checks.

River: (5.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, AceCraig checks.

Final Pot: 5.20 BB
Main Pot: 5.20 BB, between MP, CO and AceCraig. > Pot won by CO (5.20 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP has 6c 6d (two pair, jacks and sixes).
CO has Th Ac (two pair, jacks and tens).
AceCraig has 8d 9d (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: CO wins 5.20 BB. 

This one is usually a fold for me preflop. It worked out for you, though.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP folds, CO (AceCraig) calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, AceCraig calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, AceCraig raises, BB calls.

River: (7.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets, AceCraig raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB
Main Pot: 11.20 BB, between BB and AceCraig. > Pot won by AceCraig (11.20 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB has 3s Jd (three of a kind, jacks).
AceCraig has Qc Th (straight, king high).
Outcome: AceCraig wins 11.20 BB. 

And this one.....I feel for you dude.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero folds, MP calls, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, BB (AceCraig) 3-bets, MP caps, Button calls, BB (AceCraig) calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
AceCraig bets, MP folds, Button raises, AceCraig 3-bets, Button caps, AceCraig calls.

Turn: (10.20 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
AceCraig bets, Button raises, AceCraig 3-bets, Button calls.

River: (16.20 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
AceCraig bets, Button raises, AceCraig 3-bets, Button caps, AceCraig calls.

Final Pot: 24.20 BB
Main Pot: 24.20 BB, between Button and AceCraig. > Pot won by Button (24.20 BB).

Results in white below: 
AceCraig has Th Td (three of a kind, tens).
Button has As Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Button wins 24.20 BB.

Scotch78

11-12-2004, 08:48 AM

Hand 1:

Like spydog says, fold this one pre-flop. Also, check the river. On the odd chance that you have him beat, he's not going to call with K-high. He is going to call you with any sort of pair though.

Hand 2:

Fold pre-flop. Fold pre-flop. Fold pre-flop.

Hand 3:

I fold this one pre-flop, too.

Hand 4:

You've shown a ton of aggression on the flop and turn, and your opponent did finally slowdown after your turn 3-bet. If you don't already put him on AA most of the time, you certainly should when he raises this river. Call his raise, break something, then take a break for a few minutes.

Scott

TJD

11-12-2004, 09:41 AM

I've played 152 hands against you so the stats could be out of line but:-

Too loose preflop as others have suggested on the hands shown

Your PFR% is pitiful 3.95%! Way too low!

You CALL too much on the flop. Most players will bet rather than check/call and if they are bet into they are very likley to raise rather than call.

Hope it helps.

Mind you, you are 20BB up on those 152 hands so who am I to criticise /images/graemlins/smile.gif

T

AceCraig

11-12-2004, 03:20 PM

Thanks for the posts and your time. What is a good PFR%?

Ponks

11-12-2004, 03:26 PM

Mines around 13.75 and I think that might be a little on the low side compared to a lot of other players around her.e

Ponks

Ponks

11-12-2004, 03:29 PM

You guys usually fold QTo from the CO?? (Referring to hand #3) Is it cause of the UTG limper? I normally raise here, sometimes limp, and a few people already said that they fold. Just curious of the justification for this as I've only been playing 6 max for a week and a half. My VPIP is like 17.80 so I figured I'm one of the tighties around here and I play this from the CO.

Thanks
Ponks

Benjamin

11-12-2004, 03:43 PM

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You guys usually fold QTo from the CO??

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I'll openraise with it there, or I'll usually overlimp with it unless there's reason to expect a raise behind me.

B.

Scotch78

11-12-2004, 06:44 PM

VP$IP can take a while to converge. Right now I am at 10k hands of $1/2 and my VP$IP is 15.88%, but I am playing looser than when I was at Pokerstars with a 19% VP$IP.

Scott

WackityWhiz

11-12-2004, 09:37 PM

my vpip is 37... step it up kids

Ponks

11-12-2004, 09:56 PM

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You guys usually fold QTo from the CO??

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I'll openraise with it there, or I'll usually overlimp with it unless there's reason to expect a raise behind me.

B.

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Alright, I'll continue with that until someone proves otherwise is better. I think folding hand 3 preflop would by bad and im real tight =/

Ponks

NLSoldier

11-13-2004, 02:14 AM

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You guys usually fold QTo from the CO?? (Referring to hand #3) Is it cause of the UTG limper? I normally raise here, sometimes limp, and a few people already said that they fold. Just curious of the justification for this as I've only been playing 6 max for a week and a half. My VPIP is like 17.80 so I figured I'm one of the tighties around here and I play this from the CO.

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Hmm I think i am usually folding this...

vector

11-13-2004, 03:53 AM

"VP$IP can take a while to converge. Right now I am at 10k hands of $1/2 and my VP$IP is 15.88%, but I am playing looser than when I was at Pokerstars with a 19% VP$IP"

You mean you expect your real VPIP is higher than 19% but after 10K hands its at 15.88%? As in, you have been just getting terrible cards?

I have always found VPIP to converge very rapidly (which makes sense as its affected by every hand you play, as opposed to say your steal attempts).

I can imagine different game conditions having this big an effect, more aggresion preflop from opponents will lower your VPIP, but is the Party 1/2 more aggresive than the Pokerstars 1/2 preflop?

vector

11-13-2004, 04:01 AM

In the 218 hands I've played against him he is up 67 BBs, 11 of them from me.

Who says this guy needs help /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Scotch78

11-13-2004, 04:43 AM

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You mean you expect your real VPIP is higher than 19% but after 10K hands its at 15.88%? As in, you have been just getting terrible cards?

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Yes, that's what I mean. Check out the post I just made in the 10k Checkup thread.

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I can imagine different game conditions having this big an effect, more aggresion preflop from opponents will lower your VPIP, but is the Party 1/2 more aggresive than the Pokerstars 1/2 preflop?

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Dunno, I played 3/6 at PS.

Scott

kiddo

11-13-2004, 04:57 AM

First in: Raise.
One limper: Raise.
2 limpers: Call.

Raise is good, not only because u got a decent hand but because u want button and u wont them to check flop.

I used to raise QTo from UTG and UTG+1 (I did it at Paraidse 5MAX and it worked fine) but I lost with it.

I am also pretty tight, VP$IP 21-22%, raise 13-14%

AceCraig

11-13-2004, 08:29 AM

Hey vector, are you talking about me? the thread got long.

By the way, I think i just had a combination of some cold cards + tilt/playing too long. I know i have some leaks, but i think those leaks open up when I am getting cold cards and get discouraged.

My last 2 days were strong. 8 BB's an hour win rate
I think i am catching on to the swings and need to learn not to loose back my winnings when i am running bad/cold. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

vector

11-13-2004, 02:22 PM

Yep I am talking about you. In my small sample you have a phenomenal win rate.

Glad to hear things are working out for you now.