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sfer

11-10-2004, 03:05 AM

UTG+1 knows me, I know him, we've played a fair amount together live, which means they've seen me get out of line.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 (2+2er) raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+1 (2+2er) calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
2+2er checks, Hero bets, 2+2er calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
2+2er checks, Hero bets, 2+2er calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
2+2er checks, Hero bets, 2+2er raises, Hero 3-bets...

Standard?

Chris Daddy Cool

11-10-2004, 03:08 AM

any way utg won't cap KK preflop or would open with A8s?

Joe Tall

11-10-2004, 03:09 AM

Ni han.

Peace,
Joe Tall

bisonbison

11-10-2004, 03:10 AM

Looks like he wanted to protect himself from a 3-bet with KQ or an underpair. Nice hand.

Tosh

11-10-2004, 05:23 AM

I can't see not 3 betting here.

gaming_mouse

11-10-2004, 05:39 AM

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I can't see not 3 betting here.

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Could you, or anyone, explain this more?

I can't see him c/r a king. Isn't he putting you on at AK, maybe higher? Or did you put him on a bluff?

Thanks,
gm

sfer

11-10-2004, 11:37 AM

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I can't see him c/r a king. Isn't he putting you on at AK, maybe higher? Or did you put him on a bluff?

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What hand will checkraise the river but not spew prior?

Evan

11-10-2004, 11:38 AM

who was UTG+1?

sthief09

11-10-2004, 11:41 AM

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who was UTG+1?

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brad?

Evan

11-10-2004, 11:44 AM

is that an answer or a guess?

sthief09

11-10-2004, 11:45 AM

this hand definitely deserves an "I'm confused" 3-bet. whoever it is, there's no way he check-calls 2 streets with KK then goes for a river check-raise. even if he gets you to 3-bet, it's not worth the risk. but what else would he check-raise the river with? AK? AA? KQ? none of this makes sense, though you are known to value bet thin, so AK could make some sense, though he can't fold to a 3-bet because I could see you 3-betting there with AK

sthief09

11-10-2004, 11:45 AM

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is that an answer or a guess?

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guess?

Evan

11-10-2004, 11:46 AM

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I vote bluff

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I doubt it. If this guy has played with Dave he knows that this bluff would have almost 0 chance of working. He's gotta have something.

Evan

11-10-2004, 11:47 AM

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guess?

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ok?

sfer

11-10-2004, 11:50 AM

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brad?

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Possibly. Maybe, even.

Now that I finally entered the 1990s and have AIM on my computer, Brad has been randomly messaging me Ebay auctions for Snagglepuss and sending me "DONK DA DONK DONK DONK!" messages.

sfer

11-10-2004, 11:52 AM

No way for KK; I highly doubt A8s. He does little for Shania, and A8s in EP for a raise is serious Shania for him. UTG+1 has said to me previously that QQ is an autocap.

sthief09

11-10-2004, 11:52 AM

yes I edited that out, though I can see him folding to a raise from Brad. his raises actually deserve respect

sthief09

11-10-2004, 11:54 AM

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No way for KK

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doesn't that answer your question for you?

Evan

11-10-2004, 11:54 AM

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his raises actually deserve respect

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Blow me

ironically I think Brad has KQ

sfer

11-10-2004, 12:13 PM

But does it for Fish Daddy?

sfer

11-10-2004, 09:49 PM

The whole hand.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 (2+2er) raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+1 (2+2er) calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
2+2er checks, Hero bets, 2+2er calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
2+2er checks, Hero bets, 2+2er calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
2+2er checks, Hero bets, 2+2er raises, Hero 3-bets, 2+2er calls.

Final Pot: 12.66 BB

Results in white below: 
2+2er has As Kc (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.66 BB.

sthief09

11-10-2004, 10:03 PM

he should lay down to the 3-bet I think... something about his line just doesn't sit right with me. because it's you, I don't mind his assumption that you'll bet the river. I think you'll bet the river with anything better than TT. assuming that you call the raise with QQ or worse might be a stretch