Gomez22
11-08-2004, 07:16 PM
I had a situation come up today that made me start to wonder about what I think is a huge leak in my game - my play on the turn. Not getting into why I think my turn play sucks so bad, let me show the hand that got me started on this.....
Let me start by saying that villain in this hand is kinda unpredictable, but not very good - I have him in my PT database: 248 hands, 20.9 VP$IP, 4% PFR, 0.2 PF agg, 1.3 flop agg.....
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Gomez22 is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Gomez22 raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: (5 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Gomez22 raises</font>, SB calls.
Turn: (4.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Gomez22 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB raises</font>, Gomez22 folds.
Final Pot: 7.50 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 6.50 BB, won by SB.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to SB.</font>
OK - I don't think there's any way I can call a turn check-raise here, but I got to thinking about it, and I thought: "When the turn card is a scare card, and I have position, and don't think I can call a check-raise, checking the turn and calling a river bet is the way to go". Only problem is, I'm not real good at identifying these situations, as you can obviously tell.....
I think getting to the showdown in these situations may be more important than being aggressive. Also, should I be behind on the turn, I have to catch a clean 3-outer(dirty 4-outer) to take the lead and I can't do that pissing away the turn.....
Thoughts?
Let me start by saying that villain in this hand is kinda unpredictable, but not very good - I have him in my PT database: 248 hands, 20.9 VP$IP, 4% PFR, 0.2 PF agg, 1.3 flop agg.....
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Gomez22 is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Gomez22 raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: (5 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Gomez22 raises</font>, SB calls.
Turn: (4.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Gomez22 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB raises</font>, Gomez22 folds.
Final Pot: 7.50 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 6.50 BB, won by SB.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to SB.</font>
OK - I don't think there's any way I can call a turn check-raise here, but I got to thinking about it, and I thought: "When the turn card is a scare card, and I have position, and don't think I can call a check-raise, checking the turn and calling a river bet is the way to go". Only problem is, I'm not real good at identifying these situations, as you can obviously tell.....
I think getting to the showdown in these situations may be more important than being aggressive. Also, should I be behind on the turn, I have to catch a clean 3-outer(dirty 4-outer) to take the lead and I can't do that pissing away the turn.....
Thoughts?