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BigBaitsim (milo)
11-08-2004, 01:28 PM
Three nights into my trip I've met with three psychologists about private practice options, two realtors about housing and office space for myself and the wife (a family lawyer), and played 31 hours of poker.

First a comment or two about Canterbury. This place is the best run poker room I've played in. 30+ tables, big board, great floor and incredibly very competent board girls, who keep tables running well, manage insanely long lists some nights, and are not to hard to look at either. Swing shift manager Annie sat in the 6/12 I was playing last night, and we had a pleasant chat about MN in general and the cardroom in specific.

Night 1: Played mostly 6/12. Games are VERY different from Vegas. Players on the whole have more experience, are much more sober and more intelligent. Most at this level play a fair bit, and have learned a lot through their frequent play. Fortunately, they THINK they know more than they do, because many still lack a strong understanding of the fundamentals of the game. Not surprisingly, they see too many hands and take them too far. I played terribly the first night, bizzarely adopting the local style of play. So in late position I pick up JJ for the third time in an hour (having lost with it both times). It's raised ahead of me, I three-bet and EP (who I have a good read on) calls. Okay, I'm likely up against a lower PP or over cards. I think this guy would have 4-bet with any overpair. Flop is AK4r. He bets, I raise and he quickly three-bets. I call and then call him down to the river. He shows AK (big shock), and I'm left wondering who is inhabiting my body. I had the guy read cold as a tight and not overly aggressive player. No way he 3-bets with less than two-pair. Despite moronic play, I managed to eke out 10BB for a $114 profit.

Day Two (first day of actual moving stuff): Got in four hours' sleep before taking my sister-in-law to the airport. She's gone a week and I have a car for the duration. I spent two hours in the afternoon meeting with a psychologist about practice options and three hours with a realtor getting driven around MN. I see 10 houses, most of which I cannot afford as the most expensive houses in my hometown of Farmville are cheaper than a real cheesy place in Chaska or Eden Prairie. At about 4:30 I tell the realtor I'm getting tired, go get my car and head for Canterbury.

First mistake of the evening is the "Asian Buffet." Hint to the uninformed: Do not trust Asian food prepared at a Minnesota Racetrack-Casino ("Racino"). Eight bucks (one time through only, please) isn't bad, but the food was. Second mistake was signing up for the 8/16. While only slightly higher than the 6/12, the players were much more aggressive and more experienced. When I made my hands, I made little. Additionally, they liked to stay in with draws to the river, and while I usually want my two-pair to be called by the idiot with the gutshot, Every river went the other way. In one hand I held TJs. Five saw an unraised flop, which came QJ8 with two /images/graemlins/heart.gif. Again, I had a good read on this player and bet out. He raised and I called. I bet the turn, he called. The river brought another /images/graemlins/heart.gif, and the guy suddenly looked like he'd been offered a blowjob by a supermodel. I check-called, asked to see the hearts and he obliged. Sorry to bitch about beats, but he was getting odds to call, and this sort of thing happened all night. Stuck three racks or yellow($2 chips), I meandered over to a relatively good 6/12, where I recovered all but $80 of my loss. I'd rebought a few times, but now had almost five racks of chips in front of me. Now Annie the manager and two TAG regulars sit in at the same time Drunken Asian Guy, and some 30/60 player slumming it in the 6/12 left. Slummer had been raising 50%, limping 25% and folding 25%. This, and his buying a round of drinks for the table (no free alcohol at CP /images/graemlins/frown.gif had really made the game pretty friendly. Suddenly the game was super-tight for a 6/12 and I moved to the table drunken Asian Guy had gone to. Almost immediataly I picked up KK, blah, blah blah, he had a gazillion of my chips after cold calling three bets with 35o and seeing a 246r flop. The game was wild, with 5-6 seeing a raise pre-flop, so I buckled up for a wild, and hopefully lucrative ride. Drunken Asian Guy slowly sobered over the next few hours, and played better by the time dawn showed up, and the two-hour wild ride ended with me being stuck again for three racks of yellow. I still think I played correctly for most of the night, making tilty calls preflop only twice (accounting for no more than 4BB loss). The rivers continued to flow away from me and I left down $667.

Day Three brought half-dozen more homes, some getting close to affordable and the good news that we would likely qualify for a home loan (which was uncertain because the wife and I are both self-employed and will essentially be jobless when we arrive). Met another family lawyer at a table and he may be able to help the wife with some info, which was cool. Met a psychologist who gave me very encouraging info about insurance reimbursement rates (which are 30% higher here) and a need for forensic psychologists to do custody evals and criminal work. Got to CP at dinner time and had a very good bacon cheeseburger ($5.00!). THe board girls recognized me, and said "6/12, Milo?" That was nice, and I got a seat in 5 minutes (football Sunday). THe jackpot was $100K for the duration of the day, but was never hit. I went on an absolute tear, building a mountain of chips. I got a rep at the table for hitting cards (as if the cards remembered me), and a preflop raise, coupled with a bet on the flop suddenly won me the pot unless the other player had a very strong hand. This allowed me to lay down some strong hands. I straddled a few times, winning each time with an unlikely hand, and suddenly my pre-flop raises were met with 4-5 callers (despite my playing very tight, seeing less than 20% of flops, by far the tightest at the table, aside from Annie the Manager). I was the only straddler all night, and it didn't loosen up the table in general, but they suddenly gave no respect to my pre-flop raises, regardless of position. Many smiles and "good jobs" accompanied my walk up to the cage, weighed down with just shy of five racks of yellow. I cashed out up $537.

Total so far, -$16.

Coming attractions:
Minnesota Laws Test for licensure!
More poker!
More realtors!
Mortgage Brokers!
Realtors!
In-laws!

BigBaitsim (milo)
11-08-2004, 02:08 PM
Ran into 2+2ers Edge, Andy B. and Scheids among others. Andy was waiting for the 30/60 and Schneids was sitting with what looked like a reasonable buy-in. I stopped by a few hours later, to see Andy and Scheids sitting in the 3 and 8 seats respectively, peering at each other over mountains of well worn $10 chips. You guys are my heros.

-Milo

icepick
11-08-2004, 02:12 PM
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Coming attractions:


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Snow!

Edge34
11-08-2004, 04:11 PM
Glad to hear you enjoyed your trip...I ended up there until 4 in the morning...coldest run of cards in my life, but by the end of the night I worked my way back to being down only one rack in the 15/30, successfully avoiding spewing chips due to said cold run.

Schneids was there even longer than me...and he's my hero too /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. Beat the life out of the 30 from what I saw.

Hope to run into you again there once you're a permanent Minnesotan!

(Lisa's a cute one too, btw /images/graemlins/cool.gif)

-Edge

Andy B
11-08-2004, 05:38 PM
Nice meeting you, sir. I do buy in for two racks, and I wound up giving some of it back, but it was a good night nonetheless. Had to leave when, in one hand, I failed to take into account that a decent player had already limped when I made an isolation raise against a terrible limper, and I failed to notice that the turn card put three spades on the board. When my judgment fails that badly, it's time to rack up. I need a few days off from poker now, I think.

Edge34
11-08-2004, 06:43 PM
At least you didn't muck a chop hand... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

WDC
11-08-2004, 06:45 PM
I was the family lawyer that ran into Milo. Milo is certainly a nice guy and a pleasure to play with. Although we were sitting right next to each other in a Saturday early evening 8-16 game for about an hour we did not get involved in any significant pots with each other. BTW Milo that game was fairly tame (for 8-16) until I left at 8:30 or so, but I bet it probably got more wild as the night went on, it usually does.

Best of luck in the home buying. Check your private mail as I left a message there.

Bill

Schneids
11-08-2004, 10:39 PM
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Andy was waiting for the 30/60

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Oh that must have been when Andy was on the list, got called for it, sat and played two hands, then decided he didn't want me and Vehn to take all his money and moved off the table like a scared little girl /images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

(actually I am glad he got off the table the game was bad and turning worse if he stayed. Andy got back on the list and returned later in the night when the line up was much better)

annieadlin
11-08-2004, 11:44 PM
Hi Milo,
Buy a VERY warm coat and get ready for winter here in MN!
Very nice meeting you (and playing next to you).
Annie

whiskeytown
11-09-2004, 01:52 AM
yah...my experience with 6/12 is that SSHE is the best style of play for it....;

but you never wanna join a new game - join an existing one - the first hr. is tighter then a <insert tight methphor here>

Lisa is easy to look at...so is Heather, IMHO (coctail waitress) - I was there on Sun for the $400 tourney and died with the best hand preflop....same ol, same ol...

yah....get ready for winterwonderland...I'm not yet....ech.

RB

sucka
11-09-2004, 02:14 AM
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Buy a VERY warm coat and get ready for winter here in MN!

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Ugh...

I'll be moving my family up there late this month. Well, I actually start my new job on 12/6 but I'll be in temporary housing until we can find a place to rent for the first year while we look around for a new home.

I'm in Austin, TX now. I've played golf in short sleeves and shorts the past 2 days on my week off. /images/graemlins/grin.gif I think the temp was around 84 today or something like that.

Man, I'm sure gonna miss that...

I've played golf the last 2 Thanksgivings AND Christmases down here. No more of that... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Thankfully, I never threw away my Peacoat that I was issued in the Navy. I think I've worn in twice since I've lived in Texas, and both times it wasn't really neccesary from a warmth standpoint - just kinda dressy.

I do look forward to meeting you all though. I'll probably be in on saturday 12/4 if anyone is going to be around...

Andy B
11-09-2004, 03:06 AM
I think I threw away more money on my hand than you did on yours. Difference is, everyone at the table didn't know about it. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Andy B
11-09-2004, 03:15 AM
I never took a hand the first time I sat in that game. I got called for $8/16 and decided to take it, rather than get stuck in what didn't look like a very good game, and settled into the $15/30 game shortly thereafter. I decided to put my name back on the $30/60 list once I saw my new best friend float into the room. What I don't understand is why there was an open seat on his left when I got called. Did you just not feel like moving five racks of chips across the table?

The last time I went bust, I got a whole lot less selective about when I played $30/60. I'm trying not to repeat that mistake. I'll sit in a bad stud/8 game and wait for it to get better, but not a bad hold'em game.

Have you told Vehn about the party he missed?

Edge34
11-09-2004, 03:51 AM
If you did, I don't know how...that was the worst hand I played all night. Not to mention, with the exception of you, that game was approximately 1000 times better than the main game...friendlier, softer, just about everything I could hope for. The main game was a grind to get back to even against the hottest-running player in the casino.

That's seriously the only time I ever can remember throwing away a hand that I should know is worth half the pot. Saw your QT and the only thing I thought was "well, that outkicks my T9s", without even thinking about the K-4-4 on board. Chalk it up to temporary insanity - I'll be back /images/graemlins/cool.gif

annieadlin
11-09-2004, 04:25 AM
Peacoat!!! LOL..
Boy are you in for a surprise!
If it's not thermal and/or goosedown, youre gonna be sorry!
And don't forget gloves, scarves and a wool hat..
oh yeah...and keep an extra pair of dry shoes handy.
Not to mention, a shovel, salt, towrope, and all the other
'what if I get stuck' items in your car.
Welcome to winter!

icepick
11-09-2004, 10:21 AM
Get an ice scraper. A good one, with a brass blade. None of this plastic Walmart crap. This is an absolute must.

Less important, consider getting a pair of Sorel boots. I got myself a pair my first year of college. Best $100 I ever spent. Rated to -40 F.

And if there isn't snow on the ground when you arrive, call in sick on the first day with snow on the ground. People forget how to drive.

sucka
11-09-2004, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the good tips! I figured that a good scraper would be a must!

I'm considering trading in my current truck for a 4X4 before I come up as well. Do any of you have block heaters in your cars? I'm also considering putting a remote starter in there as well to make life a little easier at the house.

Fortunately, I plan on living very close to my office in Bloomington. My office also has very nice covered parking, thankfully. So hopefully that should cut down on weather exposure for the first year or so. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Any other tips??

Holm Fries
11-09-2004, 02:27 PM
Welcome. I don't know if they told you, but you have to wear a 2+2 button at CP in respect of those of us who don't want to donate to your new house fund. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

At least you have some sweet sports teams to look forward to. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

HF

chrisdhal
11-09-2004, 03:04 PM
Probably only need a block heater if you have to park outside overnight. A remote starter is nice though, especially if you can trigger it from your office before you leave for the day. You really don't need a 4x4 unless you plan on spending time off the road. I've never owned one and have zero problems driving. Not to say that it's not nice at times (I have riden in them), but it's definitely not necessary.

Schneids
11-09-2004, 03:23 PM
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What I don't understand is why there was an open seat on his left when I got called. Did you just not feel like moving five racks of chips across the table?

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Actually, six /images/graemlins/smirk.gif. Anyway... Yeah, it was partly due to that factor. Plus, I think I preferred having position on the couple of decent players at the table moreso than having position on our best friend. I think if I had moved there seat 6 (I guess I am avoiding using names) would have been smart enough to 3-bet my ass if I started isolating our friend too much. And, I liked having our friend there to call my valuebets and provide me protection against the couple of solid players who would then be unable to try to move me off a hand since they'd know they have to showdown their hand anyway... Plus, although I never had the right moment to, my seat could have given me some awesome checkraising opportunities for more reasons than just our friend (especially with seat 1 who he was, if you recall).


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Have you told Vehn about the party he missed?

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Yup. Told him when we were seated at the same Party table on Saturday (his first time playing online in a few months!). He was definitely disappointed to hear he missed out on a piece of over $10,000.

bicyclekick
11-09-2004, 05:44 PM
Btw, milo, annie is a lurker on here if you didn't know.

Yeah, andy, he's definately one of my new best friends too...(i'm pretty sure I knwo who you're talking about, as schneids said he was there).

Since when did you run well enough to play 30/60 holdem?

:P

Damn I wish I could play in more games with that guy, but I'm stuck at school! DAMN YOU GUYS. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Andy B
11-10-2004, 12:53 AM
Well, you responded to this thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1068504&page=&view=&s b=5&o=) where I told everyone how I got back into action. I had a good tournament, and since then Canterbury has had $30/60 stud/8 on Thursdays, and I've been playing in a $40/80 home game which is half hold'em and half stud/8. If I never had to play in a full limit hold'em game again, I wouldn't complain, but I need the money.