1800gambler/Eurobet Revisited

First let me say that the starting of rake rebate comparison sites (I believe it was Homer who got the ball rolling) is the best thing I have seen on this forum; and the best possible development for the poker-playing community. I am going to wait until they are up before I sign on with an affiliate since the new sites hopefully will provide full disclosure on who's offering what.

Secondly--since I unintentionally provided 1800gambler with some free advertising recently, I feel obligated to provide this additional information about his Eurobet program:

1. When you sign up with other Eurobet affiliates, they give you a referral code/link to use when opening your account. This referral link takes you to Eurobet's standard sign-in page which offers Eurobet's standard 25%-up-to-$50 initial sign-up bonus.

2. When you sign up with Jay (1800gambler), he tells you that Eurobet doesn't use the affiliate-code-link system and you have to send him all your personal information and HE has to open the account for you.

3. I am surmising that his purpose for doing this is to avoid having the new player get the sign-up bonus. When I discovered this information I sent Jay an email inquiring about the bonus and have received only silence in return.

4. Jay has stated that Eurobet required him to sign an agreement that he will guarantee to pay his sign-ups at least 25% rakeback (other affiliates will probably pay less as they are just getting started and may not be able to afford 25% until they get their player base established).

5. So is forfeiting the $50 bonus in return for 25% a good deal or a bad deal? Obviously it depends on the individual player and how much rake he generates.

6.My "issue" with this is that I was misled and not made aware of the tit-for-tat tradeoff. Obviously I think others should be made aware of it.

7. Let me further state that I may be all wrong here; but I think the issue deserves airing.

8. Standard disclaimer: This is not spam, yada, yada . . .is there such a thing as NEGATIVE spam?? If so, Im sure I'll hear about it . . . /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Just received the following PM. Sender doesn't want to get involved in the inevitable controversy, but gave me permission to post it. Just more info that you can take or leave as you see fit! /images/graemlins/smile.gif
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I saw your post about 1800Gambler. I asked for a rakeback deal and asked affiliates to PM me. Jay PMed me and offered me 25%. I then inquired about the $200 signup bonus they had and he e-mailed me back pissed off. He asked if was in this for longterm rakeback or just to get the bonus b/c the bonus would come out if his MGR. I then e-mailed him back and stated I was looking for a long term rakeback but I was also interested in the bonus and that I would like to signup under him. He then e-mails me back and mentions 22.5% rakeback when he had originally offered me 25%. I e-mailed him back and copy/pasted the PM he sent me offering 25%. He then e-mails me back a couple days later and says Eurobet just changed their policies and they only allow him to offer a maximum of 22.5% so that's why he changed his offer to 22.5% for me. This is total BS. And like you mentioned, he likes you to send all your info to him so he can create your username and everything else. This way you don't enter the bonus code and it doesn't come out of his MGR. He's extremely shady if you ask me. After all that I e-mailed him back and told him I would have to decline his offer.....
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The moral of this thread is:

"You lie to the bull, you get the horn!" /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Fat Bottomed Girls]

That was a very informative post. 1800GAMBLER really is a lowlife.

[1800GAMBLER]

Sigh. Before i read this, again the usual message, i didn't ask for this post and didn't know it was coming. The last one got deleted so it seems stupid to make this one.

However, flamed or not there is a lot of misinformation in this post about me so i'm going to clear it up.

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1. When you sign up with other Eurobet affiliates, they give you a referral code/link to use when opening your account. This referral link takes you to Eurobet's standard sign-in page which offers Eurobet's standard 25%-up-to-$50 initial sign-up bonus.

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Eurobet have no referral 'codes' as empire/party do. They do have links. However the problem with the links - from what i've been told by another affiliate - is if the person has already once before visited the eurobet site they wont be tracked under you. The affiliate who told me this has already had problems with this.

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2. When you sign up with Jay (1800gambler), he tells you that Eurobet doesn't use the affiliate-code-link system and you have to send him all your personal information and HE has to open the account for you.

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I say eurobet don't offer referral 'codes' which is true.

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3. I am surmising that his purpose for doing this is to avoid having the new player get the sign-up bonus. When I discovered this information I sent Jay an email inquiring about the bonus and have received only silence in return.

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The reason i do this is to save problems later on when the affiliatee starts to complain that the tracker isn't working. This way i can ensure you are tracked under me. However you still can get the bonus, as you obviously don't know - yet made this post - the part when you get the bonus is when you move money from the sports book to the poker room, me making your account does not affect this.

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5. So is forfeiting the $50 bonus in return for 25% a good deal or a bad deal? Obviously it depends on the individual player and how much rake he generates.

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As said above, you can still get the bonus.

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6.My "issue" with this is that I was misled and not made aware of the tit-for-tat tradeoff. Obviously I think others should be made aware of it.

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See above.

[1800GAMBLER]

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I saw your post about 1800Gambler. I asked for a rakeback deal and asked affiliates to PM me. Jay PMed me and offered me 25%. I then inquired about the $200 signup bonus they had and he e-mailed me back pissed off. He asked if was in this for longterm rakeback or just to get the bonus b/c the bonus would come out if his MGR.

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This is utterly crazy. As seen in the other thread i had a lot of random attacks including wrong information. This again is another. The event above has never occured, if it did i would happily offer the bonus to the sign up yet remind them a percentage comes out of the rake back i recieve.

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Eurobet just changed their policies and they only allow him to offer a maximum of 22.5%

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This shows how obvious of a lie this is because i am contracted to give more.

Ok. That last line is 'spam' however if i am having lies aimed at me surely i have the right to give the right information. It's amazing how many attacks i'm getting for this when this month i wont profit from the affiliate problem at all.

[GrannyMae]

me making your account does not affect this.

i did not understand this in his post and don't understand it in yours.

what does this mean "you" make the account. people provide you with their personal info and you open the account? i'm not arguing about your trustworthiness, i have never had an issue with that. however, i'd like to know how people are expected to give an affiliate their personal info? what if the affiliate is not trustworthy?

also, does the eurobet terms not state that people have to open their OWN account?

[1800GAMBLER]

Hey.

The details needed are the same details as required by party when you sign up there they then issue us a user/pass which we send out. The following line i send out after that is 'Please change your password before you make your first deposit'. So even if you ran into a none trustworthy the worst he can do is give you prank phone calls.

This isn't against the T&Cs because under my affiliate log in the option is the make the accountt for the sign ups.

[ripped]

can you please answer my PM!..

lol

[1800GAMBLER]

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can you please answer my PM!..

lol

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Ha, done. This has had me house bound for the last two days to keep on top of this.

[GrannyMae]

the worst he can do is give you prank phone calls.

then you don't have a very vivid imagination.

if this is the way euro does business, all i can say to others is that you better know your affiliate.

[1800GAMBLER]

!?

What difference does having this information make? So the affiliate now has your address and comes around you cut you into 6 pieces and feed you to the pigs after removing your teeth and hair? Anyone doing that would just pick a random.

[morgant]

getting the players information and creating their account is in no way similiar to the process at party...please jay. imagine how many clean computers were now diritied by party affiliates LOL(pre registry hack)!

and to the OP, you must have about three brain cells all located in your right pinky toe, to be revisiting this topic AGAIN......head meet wall, head meet wall.......

[1800GAMBLER]

Exactly where do i say the sign up process is similar to party?

[morgant]

jay, either my reading comprehension is not working(could be the case), or englishmen and americans read and write a totally different language(could be the case), or you are being defensive(could be the case)......but i think you mentioned it here...

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The details needed are the same details as required by party when you sign up there they then issue us a user/pass which we send out. The following line i send out after that is 'Please change your password before you make your first deposit'

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[1800GAMBLER]

Yes, the details required for sign up are the same details. The process in which these details are given isn't the same.

[GrannyMae]

with a telephone number and home addy, people can submit a change of address at the post office. that is just ONE of many things identity thieves can do with limited information.

i would encourage everyone to read the november issue of playboy magazine. there is an article on page 112 called "the identity addict". it will scare the shiit outta you.

a guy took the forbes 400 list of richest americans, and just from the magazine article, he assumed the identity of 200 of them and stole $260,000,000.00 (yes, a quarter of a billion)

I'm confused--don't you think this is information people should know about?

If you're concerned about public discussion of rakeback, it is apparent that Eurobet is different from the other Party skins in that they do not object to the practice of giving rakeback.

And it's not spam--so what EXACTLY is your objection? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[1800GAMBLER]

Are you clear about my details now?

[ripped]

people actually read playboy?..

but why?

[GrannyMae]

i knew this was coming.

i'll tell you this tho. the articles this year have been absolutely amazing.

[sumdumguy]

GF doesn't believe I read the "articles" on a porn site.. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ripped]

my GF is my playboys..lol

[lorinda]

CBS version of events.

identity theft case (forbes top 400) (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/03/20/archive/technology/main280107.shtml)

Lori

[morgant]

i knew i should have never said anything in this thread. jay is going to split hairs about how he typed that the signing up process is the same although in one case, the user signs himself up, and in the other case, a totally random person only known to the user by an online forum handle signs him up, other than that, yes the information required is the same. and for belowpoverty, the brilliance you excercised in your last post pertaining to this topic, is shining again as you open up pandoras box a second time, frankly no i dont think this type of post serves in the publics interest, it is a sitting duck for impostors and scammers to come in here and either a)tarnish jays reputation(which has been done) or b) tout him as the best thing since sliced bread, all of which is subjective misinformation.

as i have said many times in the past. if you are looking for an affiliate, do not post a thread asking for offers, yes it may be a good way to bargain shop, but you better be familiar with the product you are getting. i have had forum members contact me countless times saying OMG poster XXXX giving me 80% back at site XYZ, this is just a common form of trickery that some affiliates persue. I recommend someone seeking rakeback to PM(the P is for PRIVATE) someone here they feel are trustworthy and ask for an unbiased opinion on an affiliate. That is if you dont have any friends or acquaintences on the boards who can give you their two cents, or heh, lets go crazy and ask the both of em.

Later
Morg.

[GrannyMae]

WOW!!

great find.

the playboy article is *extremely* long and is still worth the read as it covers much more.

this dirtbag changed his "goals" and decided to go for $1 billion or would never have gotten caught.

[GrannyMae]

i knew i should have never said anything in this thread

why ??

you are the quintessential example of an affiliate that has conducted business here WITHIN the rules and accepted decorum. this is why i never hesitate to send people your way.

also, what you state is exactly what i was trying to tell jay yesterday.

what happens if lorinda, morgant, sunshine, cup, cubs, homer, jek, jimbo etc etc can now post their rates too? i'm not saying that lorinda or sunshine are even affiliates, but am just using it to illustrate how there are people here with stellar reputations that would scoop business out from under the other normal scammers and spammers.i would venture a guess that jay would starve.

please keep setting the bar high and providing a great example for others that just don't get it.

Somehow I have the same vaguely dissatisfied feeling that I had after watching the politicians answer questions in the presidential debates.

In any case, the issue has been aired and you have had the opportunity to explain yourself. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Sandstone]

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Somehow I have the same vaguely dissatisfied feeling that I had after watching the politicians answer questions in the presidential debates.

In any case, the issue has been aired and you have had the opportunity to explain yourself. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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So, are you always an idiot, or do you just play one on the Internet?

There were plenty of other ways to get the information you wanted to get out of this thread without slandering someone's name with vague accusations and anonymous 3rd party e-mails.

[Ulysses]

what happens if lorinda, morgant, sunshine, cup, cubs, homer, jek, jimbo etc etc can now post their rates too?

What about El Diablo, Granny? Why can't he scoop up affiliate business? DON'T FORGET ABOUT ME, GRANNY!

[Inthacup]

I thought etc where your initials. Am I wrong /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[GrannyMae]

i swear to god, the only person i thought of that was left off was diablo. he *was* the etc.

however, since he has recently been spouting like he is an arm of the DoJ, i did not want to tarnish his reputation as a dangerous fed informant.

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[Rudbaeck]

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Eurobet have no referral 'codes' as empire/party do. They do have links. However the problem with the links - from what i've been told by another affiliate - is if the person has already once before visited the eurobet site they wont be tracked under you. The affiliate who told me this has already had problems with this.

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Have people wipe their cookies. It's so easy you can instruct even internet chimps to do it. In Internet Explorer: Tools/Internet Options - press the button in the middle that says Delete Cookies.

Visit Eurobet via the affiliates link.

[Ulysses]

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however, since he has recently been spouting like he is an arm of the DoJ, i did not want to tarnish his reputation as a dangerous fed informant.

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That's right. If you're a US affiliate and I know about you, you're not going to some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! You're going to federal POUND YOU IN THE ASS prison!

BTW, no, I'm not an affiliate.

[GrannyMae]

You're going to federal POUND YOU IN THE ASS prison!

just to be clear... you are saying this is bad??

please don't tell AA, my personal fudge bitch, of such prisons. he's liable to start bouncing checks or robbing banks.

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[Alobar]

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That's right. If you're a US affiliate and I know about you, you're not going to some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! You're going to federal POUND YOU IN THE ASS prison!



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I hear the key is on the first day to either kick someones ass or become someones bitch

[pudley4]

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That's right. If you're a US affiliate and I know about you, you're not going to some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! You're going to federal POUND YOU IN THE ASS prison!



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I hear the key is on the first day to either kick someones ass or become someones bitch

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But do they allow conjugal visits?

[Sponger15SB]

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That's right. If you're a US affiliate and I know about you, you're not going to some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! You're going to federal POUND YOU IN THE ASS prison!



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I hear the key is on the first day to either kick someones ass or become someones bitch

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But do they allow conjugal visits?

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[censored] I'm a free man and I haven't had a conjugal visit in 2 years.

[TomBrooks]

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with a telephone number and home addy, people can submit a change of address at the post office.

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What about phone books then? Virtually all the listings include an address. Is there not some safeguard to prevent a random person from submitting a change of address? I might have to call my local postmaster tomorrow. The USPS website has a place to submit questions also - maybe they could advise. =TomBk

[IggyWH]

Can we please quit bumping 4 month old threads? This is the second one you've bumped!!

[AncientPC]

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with a telephone number and home addy, people can submit a change of address at the post office.

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What about phone books then? Virtually all the listings include an address. Is there not some safeguard to prevent a random person from submitting a change of address? I might have to call my local postmaster tomorrow. The USPS website has a place to submit questions also - maybe they could advise. =TomBk

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I move once every year / two years because my gf is finicky about apartments.

When you submit a change of address (whether at the post office or online) the post office will send you a notice to your old address.

[TomBrooks]

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Can we please quit bumping 4 month old threads?

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Be advised I don't bump posts. Not the kind of post that says 'bump' in it anyway. I dislike those so no content posts so strongly as a matter of fact that I once started a thread on these forums indicating my opposition to them.

That being said, has the threat of identity theft been alleviated during this interim period or would you care to share your rationale for your request?

TomBk

[BusterStacks]

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That was a very informative post. 1800GAMBLER really is a lowlife.



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was there any doubt?

[mmbt0ne]

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what does this mean "you" make the account. people provide you with their personal info and you open the account? i'm not arguing about your trustworthiness, i have never had an issue with that. however, i'd like to know how people are expected to give an affiliate their personal info? what if the affiliate is not trustworthy?

also, does the eurobet terms not state that people have to open their OWN account?

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This is exactly what I did when I openned my Eurobet account through an affiliate (not 1800), so I don't think it's out of the ordinary.

[IggyWH]

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Can we please quit bumping 4 month old threads?

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would you care to share your rationale for your request?

TomBk

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Replying to it seriously or just posting "bump"... you're still taking a thread that is 4 months old and bringing it to the top like it's a new subject.

If you want to discuss identity theft, then go ahead and start a new thread. This one here is useless at this point, especially since the OP has been booted for some kind of violation.