Why not move to Canada pros????? [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

Blarg

11-05-2004, 03:56 AM

I'd do it in a second if I ever got my sh** together enough to make the move.

Two things special to my case, though. First is that I live in what I consider a crummy-arse place -- Los Angeles. There aren't many places I've seen that Code:<hr /><pre>don't</pre><hr /> look better to me, but plenty of people live in nice places, or have families and don't want to make their kids change schools, don't want to have their wife forced to leave her job and career, etc. Once you're locked in with a family and a mortgage, it's pretty hard to change your life, and almost nobody does. Heck, most people don't move much period, even if they're born and raised in hell holes.

Second, with our screwball tax system, Americans still have to pay taxes no matter where they live. They can supposedly skip the first 80k of federal taxex, and skip state taxes entirely, if they're out of the country, but after that, they still have to pay.

For some it wouldn't be worth it to totally turn their life upside down just to save being taxed on the first 80k of their income.

For people with no responsibility, and for whom that kind of money isn't trivial, I think moving somewhere and experiencing the world a little bit sounds like a great idea. A lot of times you never know how narrow your world is and how many cool things there are to see and do until you step outside of what you're used to. But most of us are creatures of habit, not adventurers. Oh, maybe within our own suburbs or something. We might try a new burger promotion when Burger King starts advertising one on t.v.

It's something I'll seriously consider myself, though. The world is full of interesting places, and the internet is everywhere. And the tax savings to me would be very significant.

BusterStacks

11-05-2004, 04:01 AM

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"Um... yeah. That's like saying why not drink Old Milwaukie if it's cheaper then Heineken."

No references to beer until the house arrest for the DUI is over. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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yarr... i was hoping to fly under the radar on that one...

A_C_Slater

11-05-2004, 04:41 AM

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I am curious why some of the full-time pro poker players don't move to Canada to save all that money on taxes. Any of you consider it? Why or why not?

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Because there's more to life than money.

No one wants to live in an arctic void if they don't
have too.

Why not move to Costa Rica instead? They have poker
rooms as well.

Gramps

11-05-2004, 04:54 AM

It's simple - if you're an American citizen living abroad, you still have to pay income taxes to Uncle Sam.

Equal

11-05-2004, 05:22 AM

I just want to warn everyone that Canada SUCKS!!! Whatever you do, don't move there! It's one of the worst countries in the world! It's like a shiity USA! It's full of old people, toothless hockey players and mounties living in igloos and every woman is ugly and fat!

kt421

11-05-2004, 10:01 AM

Canada is a great country and great place to live. But I wonder about the tax question. If you are a poker pro - my guess is that your winnings would be considered from employment which, under Canadian tax law, is a taxable stream of income.

Normally gambling winnings are not taxable in Canada (because gambling doesn't fall into one of the designated streams of income on which taxes can be levied) but in the case of a professional, I think the issue is arguable.

BTW - I lived in Vancouver for 2 years and am now back in the midwest and wonder why...its too dang cold here (Vancouver is very temperate but you can visit the snow easily).

bogey

11-05-2004, 10:06 AM

im pretty sure just moving to another country doesnt stop you from having to pay US taxes, i think you have to renounce your citizenship or something complicated like that

Keres

11-05-2004, 11:26 AM

namknils

11-05-2004, 11:34 AM

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It's simple - if you're an American citizen living abroad, you still have to pay income taxes to Uncle Sam.

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Ding Ding Ding! Gramps has it right on this one. Plus I'm surprised how many of you think that there is nothing in Canada, I mean yeah Canada sucks and it's easy to make fun of them, but there are 1 or 2 nice places/cities.

ChicagoTroy

11-05-2004, 11:34 AM

As US citizens, they would still be subject to US income taxes.

Diplomat

11-05-2004, 11:48 AM

The US taxes people based on citizenship. So, unless you denounce citizenship and become a Canadian, there is not much of a benefit.

-Diplomat

sfer

11-05-2004, 12:07 PM

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/7542/USC.gif

Already there.

namknils

11-05-2004, 12:08 PM

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I am curious why some of the full-time pro poker players don't move to Canada to save all that money on taxes. Any of you consider it? Why or why not?

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Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but why would anyone want to leave the greatest country in the world!?!

With the greatest president!! (I used white font so I wouldn't start a political thread.)

Sponger15SB

11-05-2004, 12:11 PM

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Already there.

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This is the best picture ever.

rloftin

11-05-2004, 12:19 PM

WHY

Moonsugar

11-05-2004, 12:22 PM

Canada is a beautiful place. If my fiance wasn't from Corning, NY and didnt hate winter so much I would move there in a heartbeat. Even though I would still have to pay US income tax.

kt421

11-05-2004, 12:41 PM

If you pay Canadian tax it reduces dollar for dollar your US tax liability.

IlliniRyRy

11-05-2004, 01:11 PM

Why we should leave America to go to America Junior?

ripped

11-05-2004, 01:25 PM

What is with Americans that think their [censored] dont stink?.. I have been to about 15 states in the US and here is what I get when I go there.

1. It stinks
2. It's dirty
3. People are rude and always in a rush (rude part just read this thread)
4. People like to fly planes in the buildings.
5. Too many bums
6. The common IQ in the south is just under 25
7. 50% of Americans are over weight
8. Healthcare is a joke
9. Education is a joke
and finally #10 you re-elected an idiot as your president.

Let the flaming begin (oops the Americans already started the fire I am just adding some well needed fuel)

joedot

11-05-2004, 02:16 PM

50% of americans are overweight? Umm, I think you need to check your facts. Number is probably more like 80%. Maybe you meant obese. 50% sounds like the right number for obese. And youre comment about people like to fly planes into buildings is completely inappropriate and insensitive. Fk you. Everything else you said I agree with.

pukenpete

11-05-2004, 02:40 PM

I dunno about the income tax, but I know tax as a whole is higher in canada. I'm not saying it still wouldn't be cheaper, but damn, that sales tax would be greatly reduce your EV if not for the rebate you can get at the duty free before driving back to the states.

SamIAm

11-05-2004, 02:48 PM

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The US taxes people based on citizenship. So, unless you denounce citizenship and become a Canadian, there is not much of a benefit.

[/ QUOTE ]If you spend fewer than 5 days in the U.S. per year, you get a $80,000 tax deduction. I know, from the stellar intellect you've all displayed in this thread, that you all make more than that at poker. Still, you're not paying much at all.
-Sam

Runner Runner

11-05-2004, 02:49 PM

If you were a poker professional, you would have to pay tax on your poker income even though gambling winnings aren't taxable here.

Here's my opinion on this subject,

Good things about Canada:
- Everyone has health care
- People from my experience aren't as aggressive or as competitive
- There isn't as much racism as in the U.S (you guys are closing the gap here though)
- Education is partially subsidized so college is much more affordable.

Bad things about Canada:

- Taxes are considerably higher (Income tax is around 50%, Sales tax 14%)
- No private aspects of health care means it's not as cost effective and not as good (longer waits, etc...)
- People aren't as aggressive, but they aren't as motivated either.
- Our democracy isn't as good as yours, you guys vote on everything down there from social issues like gay marriage to stuff like whether you want to build a new sports centre, here too many important decisions are made solely by appointed judges or politicians. Also, censorship is huge up here and the liberal government controls all. Many radio talk shows have been banned up here as well as stuff like Fox News.
- It is ridiculously cold here in the winter. Last winter I remember a week straight of -30 to -40 temperatures.

Take it for what it's worth.

47outs

11-05-2004, 03:00 PM

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Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but why would anyone want to leave the greatest country in the world!?!

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Take your head out of your ass.

No disrespect intended.

outs

47outs

11-05-2004, 03:02 PM

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Canada is a beautiful place. If my fiance wasn't from Corning, NY and didnt hate winter so much I would move there in a heartbeat. Even though I would still have to pay US income tax.

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Now this guys' got his head screwed on straight.

Outs

sourbeaver

11-05-2004, 03:07 PM

I'm sure you have great evidence of that ... [censored] moron.

sourbeaver

11-05-2004, 03:14 PM

AMEN

namknils

11-05-2004, 03:15 PM

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Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but why would anyone want to leave the greatest country in the world!?!

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Take your head out of your ass.

No disrespect intended.

outs

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Ha Ha, after you take your head out of your ass. America is the best country in the world.

I thought Canadians weren't so aggressive. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

DCIAce

11-05-2004, 03:22 PM

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4. People like to fly planes in the buildings.

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For the record, this'll never happen again. (note: I'm not saying anything about terrorists in general, just the planes).. One of the perks about being aggressive, is that if any jackass tries that again, they'll be wrestled out of the cockpit, and the plane will either recover, or it'll go down in a field. No American plane will ever hit another American building.

Seriously, who the hell wants to live in Canada? Also, can all the superiority.. we say "jump", you say "how high".

sthief09

11-05-2004, 03:23 PM

you call someone else ignorant (for some reason I doubt you know the meaning of this word), then you proceed to make generalizations like this.

"people are rude and always in a big rush"

this is your retaliation for someone saying "Canada sucks." congratulations! you made yourself look like a complete idiot

pudley4

11-05-2004, 03:50 PM

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you call someone else ignorant (for some reason I doubt you know the meaning of this word), then you proceed to make generalizations like this.

"people are rude and always in a big rush"

this is your retaliation for someone saying "Canada sucks." congratulations! you made yourself look like a complete idiot

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He's just reinforcing our impressions of him from here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=1073007&Foru m=,,,All_Forums,,,&Words=&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Ma in=1073007&Search=true&where=&Name=6246&daterange= &newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodypre v=#Post1073007)

ripped

11-05-2004, 03:58 PM

someone?..Ty for proving you cant read..last time I checked it was a whole thread attacking the best country in the world.

ripped

11-05-2004, 04:02 PM

You dont want to live in Canada because you love the cesspool of a country you live in.

How is it that your economy sucks so bad when you are taxed on everything? Oh..I know!..you waste your money attacking countries that are no threat to American security. Spend your billions of dollars while your homeland is in shambles.

USA
USA
USA!

sfer

11-05-2004, 04:34 PM

This is the most attention paid to Canada since Strange Brew.

Strange Brew was better than this nonsense. Hosers.

sourbeaver

11-05-2004, 04:42 PM

Not much we can do to argue with citizens of a country where arrogance and condescension is common culture.

cnfuzzd

11-05-2004, 04:42 PM

Fox "News" is banned? I will be there in a sec..

peace

john nickle

Koller

11-05-2004, 04:43 PM

What is with Americans that think their [censored] dont stink?.. I have been to about 15 states in the US and here is what I get when I go there.

1. It stinks True

2. It's dirty True

3. People are rude and always in a rush (rude part just read this thread) True

4. People like to fly planes in the buildings. Sometimes

5. Too many bums True

6. The common IQ in the south is just under 25 Not true. The common IQ in the south is just under 5.

7. 50% of Americans are over weight. true

8. Healthcare is a joke True

9. Education is a joke True

and finally #10 you re-elected an idiot as your president True. Bush is retarded monkey.

Canada rocks!!

Best countries:

1. Canada
2. Finland
3. Sweden

189. Russia / USA

I'm sorry.

Peace, Koller

cnfuzzd

11-05-2004, 04:43 PM

Nothing about this country makes it the best place in the world, with the possible exception of the NFL. Seriously.

peace

john nickle

Hallett

11-05-2004, 04:59 PM

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I just want to warn everyone that Canada SUCKS!!! Whatever you do, don't move there! It's one of the worst countries in the world! It's like a shiity USA! It's full of old people, toothless hockey players and mounties living in igloos and every woman is ugly and fat!

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Exactly! I am stuck in Canada, living in Vancouver. It rains all summer long, and in the winter, I have to shovel snow pretty much every day. The waterpipes froze for 4 months last winter, and if things go as per usual, I expect that the road out of my subdivision will be closed next week until the snow melts. Hate this place. Do NOT move here. Please. Besides all that, the money here has lots of colours. VERY confusing.

Rain, snow, outhouses, funny looking money, DONT come here.

Ulysses

11-05-2004, 05:09 PM

It's always so cute when these Canadians act like Canada is a real country.

A_C_Slater

11-05-2004, 05:20 PM

[ QUOTE ]
What is with Americans that think their [censored] dont stink?.. I have been to about 15 states in the US and here is what I get when I go there.

1. It stinks True

2. It's dirty True

3. People are rude and always in a rush (rude part just read this thread) True

4. People like to fly planes in the buildings. Sometimes

5. Too many bums True

6. The common IQ in the south is just under 25 Not true. The common IQ in the south is just under 5.

7. 50% of Americans are over weight. true

8. Healthcare is a joke True

9. Education is a joke True

and finally #10 you re-elected an idiot as your president True. Bush is retarded monkey.

Canada rocks!!

Best countries:

1. Canada
2. Finland
3. Sweden

189. Russia / USA

I'm sorry.

Peace, Koller

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Actually Canada is number 5.

Norway currently has the highest standard of living
at number 1. Sweden is #2. Switzerland #3.

I don't care what anyone says, the increase in the standard
of living is the whole point of civilization.

Therefore Norway is the best country.

Oh yea U.S. is number 8.

(I am not a canadian U.S. hater, I live in Michigan and
I love this country, these are just the cold facts.)

I do think weather is an important factor as well. So
I have to move Canada down about 10 pts to 15 in
my personalized standard of living criteria.

Hallett

11-05-2004, 05:29 PM

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I do think weather is an important factor as well. So
I have to move Canada down about 10 pts to 15 in
my personalized standard of living criteria.

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I would think the weather in most larger Canadian cities, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax, etc. is similar to what you would see in Michigan, New York, Philly, etc. Nobody lives in the cold parts, with the exception of Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton etc. The major population centres in Canada are all in the south, and have similar weather to the US noth east.

sourbeaver

11-05-2004, 06:45 PM

Yeah our weather (Montreal) is quite similar to that of Boston or NY, perhaps more snow in Jan/Feb.

citanul

11-05-2004, 06:55 PM

maybe if i were a democrat living in a red state...

then again, being a democrat living in a blue state isn't going so well either.

citanul

Equal

11-05-2004, 07:00 PM

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Exactly! I am stuck in Canada, living in Vancouver. It rains all summer long, and in the winter, I have to shovel snow pretty much every day. The waterpipes froze for 4 months last winter, and if things go as per usual, I expect that the road out of my subdivision will be closed next week until the snow melts. Hate this place. Do NOT move here. Please. Besides all that, the money here has lots of colours. VERY confusing.

Rain, snow, outhouses, funny looking money, DONT come here.

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OH! That reminds me! Vancouver is THE WORST! Whatever you do, don't move to Vancouver! -40 degree weather 10 months of the year, rabid polar bears wandering the streets (if you call a path through the snow and ice a "street")... it's basically like living in the movie, "The Day After Tomorrow"!

Hallett

11-05-2004, 07:12 PM

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Quote:
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Exactly! I am stuck in Canada, living in Vancouver. It rains all summer long, and in the winter, I have to shovel snow pretty much every day. The waterpipes froze for 4 months last winter, and if things go as per usual, I expect that the road out of my subdivision will be closed next week until the snow melts. Hate this place. Do NOT move here. Please. Besides all that, the money here has lots of colours. VERY confusing.

Rain, snow, outhouses, funny looking money, DONT come here.

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OH! That reminds me! Vancouver is THE WORST! Whatever you do, don't move to Vancouver! -40 degree weather 10 months of the year, rabid polar bears wandering the streets (if you call a path through the snow and ice a "street")... it's basically like living in the movie, "The Day After Tomorrow"!

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I forgot all about the rabid polar bears. They make getting from my car to the poker room very difficult. Especially with the snowshoes. I hear the new casino in Richmond has a snowmobile shuttle, so you can get past the rebid bears. Out in Coquitlam, they don't have that yet.

mrjetguy

11-05-2004, 07:19 PM

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http://img107.exs.cx/img107/7542/USC.gif

Already there.

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Very Nice. I'm happy that I live in MN! But about Canada, it is far from the great counrty people make it out to be. I have been there many times, and it always seems like I'm still in America. Not much difference besides the speed limit being in km, and some annoying accents (and remember that I live in MN, so if I think the accents are bad...).

Zoltri

11-05-2004, 09:00 PM

What do you call an Alabama farmer with a sheep under each arm?
A pimp. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

radek2166

11-06-2004, 12:34 PM

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6. The common IQ in the south is just under 25

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Usually you come up with something funny sometimes u even make goot points.

Out of all the [censored] you spewed to startthis thread this is the only 1 I agree with.

You could have even said the gene pool in the south need more cholorine.

Steve

ripped

11-06-2004, 12:42 PM

I didnt start this thread.. it's a continuation of the bash canada BS that your comrads continue to think is the "in" thing to do at the moment.

Gamblor

11-06-2004, 03:25 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm having a great time.

Please god, I hope none of you Americans ever come here. Please stay away. For your own sake, you'll be bored, you'll hate all the nice people, you won't like how relaxed everyone is and you won't like how much fun we have.

Seriously, you're not welcome.

Zetack

11-06-2004, 07:47 PM

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Nothing about this country makes it the best place in the world, with the possible exception of the NFL. Seriously.

peace

john nickle

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Freedom of speech and right to an attorney. If you're too poker poor to afford one the state will even give you a sorry ass one.

If those were the only two positives the US would be the greatest place to live...but I'm pretty sure there are three or four other good things too.

--Zetack

ZebraAss

11-06-2004, 09:05 PM

Why doesnt america take over canada? It was be easier to get to Alaska wouldnt it? Oh ya, we didnt take Canada for a reason, IT SUCKS.

Edge34

11-06-2004, 09:27 PM

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Why doesnt america take over canada? It was be easier to get to Alaska wouldnt it? Oh ya, we didnt take Canada for a reason, IT SUCKS.

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We left it for the French. Not only do we get out of having Canada, the French think they actually accomplished something!

DOUBLE SHOT!

But seriously, what has this thread come to? As someone else said, all Canada is is America Junior, with weaker currency.

And ripped, I still can't believe how anybody can make a comment about 9/11 like you did and be able to look at themselves in the mirror in the morning...

zephyr

11-07-2004, 02:53 AM

And its always so cute when the USA acts like they're not just Europians who were smart enough to get out of that crowded hole.

zephyr

11-07-2004, 03:05 AM

For all of the US's millatary strength I don't think they could ever take over Canada. You can't nuke a country that borders your own without the risk of huge nuclear fallout. And you certainly can't possibly consider trying to occupy all of our igloos.

As for 9/11, don't forget that there were a great deal of Canadians that lost their lives in the world trade centre aswell. We felt the blow aswell, and I'd hope that this would unite us all against a common enemy.

Kurn, son of Mogh

11-07-2004, 09:12 AM

Unfortunately, at least for the foreseeable future, the lack of NHL hockey offsets the lure of superior strip clubs.

Ed Miller

11-07-2004, 09:25 AM

And its always so cute when the USA acts like they're not just Europians who were smart enough to get out of that crowded hole.

I'll give that a 3. You got an extra point for misspelling Europeans. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Eder

11-07-2004, 01:22 PM

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I am curious why some of the full-time pro poker players don't move to Canada to save all that money on taxes. Any of you consider it? Why or why not?

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Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but why would anyone want to leave the greatest country in the world!?!

With the greatest president!! (I used white font so I wouldn't start a political thread.) 

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In Calgary alone there are 40,000 Americans that live and work here...dunno why ...they cant skate worth [censored]

btw the only war between Canada & the US was a butt kicking for someone haha ...hope your history books not altered...

snowbank

11-07-2004, 08:57 PM

Forget all the bashing... No one would consider being a Canadian citizen if it made them an extra $100,000 a year? None of the players who make a few hundred thousand a year have thought about it?

davidross

11-07-2004, 09:13 PM

On a serious note snowbank, poker winnings are not tax exempt in Canada if you are a professional gambler, and our taxes are far higher than in the states, including sales taxes etc. Someone just looking to to maximize their take home would be far better off going to a tax haven island in the Caribbean or Monte Carlo for example.

gamblore99

11-07-2004, 11:00 PM

Canada is great.

The U.S. would be great if it were not for the south. They bring the country down. WAY DOWN

sfer

11-07-2004, 11:22 PM

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And its always so cute when the USA acts like they're not just Europians who were smart enough to get out of that crowded hole.

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Plenty of Americans with zero ancestry tied to Europe there numbnuts. Noted Spelling Authority already mentioned the other glaring problem here.

Evan

11-07-2004, 11:35 PM

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Good things about Canada:
People from my experience aren't as aggressive or as competitive

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I don't understand why this is good. Competition is not bad.

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Education is partially subsidized so college is much more affordable.
...
No private aspects of health care means it's not as cost effective and not as good

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Couldn't the same point be made for education. Although college would be cheaper in Canada I would still choose to go to an American school if I were you.

MicroBob

11-08-2004, 12:07 AM

I didn't read all the responses here but i think runner-runner is one of the only one's (so far at least) to have answered this fairly well.

IMO, Canada hardly 'sucks' and i don't think it's appropriate to say so. I also don't view it as Canada, Jr...although it is obviously more like the U.S. then any other country.
It DOES get ridiculously cold up there in the winter and that is kinda miserable.

My perspective on the U.S. is kinda jaded right now though as I just completed a rather lengthy journey driving my Mom down from Wisconsin to Florida.
Our conclusions:
Wisconsin is a pretty boring state (at least to drive through....once you get outside Madison)
Illinois is a pretty boring state (again, at least to drive through)
Indiana is a pretty boring state
Kentucky is a pretty boring state
Tennessee is a pretty boring state
Alabama is a pretty boring state
Florida is a pretty boring state.....but then you get to the beach and all is well (at least for mom....i'm not exactly hyper about the beach like some people are).

most Canadians I have met also qualify as some of the nicest people I have met.
A weird aspect for me as well is that I kinda dig the canadian accent. Sure is a lot better than a lot of dumb Americans thinking they are cool by saying 'Wat-Up Bee-Aaaaatch!!!!' Maybe this is prevenlent in Canada more than I am aware though.
For me however, the accents of the rural-south (as well as the urban-south) as well as many northeastern accents just grate on my ears.

On our way down we stopped in Louisville the first night and a good friend of mine from college lives there so we went out for drinks. She and I are both from the north/midwest region and she says that even after 10 years living in Kentucky the accent still gets to her quite a bit.

Back to Canada:
Quebec City is one of my favorite cities in the world. Winters there would be pretty tough.....but it truly is a great city.
Montreal is pretty groovy as well (fwiw - I really don't speak a lick of French....but that doesn't bother me when I'm there....although it could bug some english-only americans)
Toronto is especially groovy imo.
I have been to other areas such as Sault Ste Marie (Michigan and Ontario) and that's not terribly special.
I do find it striking crossing the bridge over from Detroit to Windsor, Ont. It's like EVERYTHING got noticeably cleaner all of a sudden.

I have never been to Vancouver or to the Canadian Rockies (Calgary, etc) but from what I have read of those places I am fairly certain I would enjoy both areas....for different reasons.

Canadians also have nifty $1 and $2 coins (we have the $1 coins too...but they don't seem to be commonly used outside the freaking post-office).
Go to a soda-machine, drop in a single coin, and get your beverage. Why we still insist on using the $1 bill in this country I just don't know. With the value of the dollar today it is roughly the equivilent of having a paper version of the quarter not many years ago (I would guess that a $0.25 bill in 1970 or 1975 or so would be roughly the same as a $1 bill today).

In conclusion - give Canada a break....it's not nearly as bad as you might think.
Okay...end of rant.

Hallett

11-08-2004, 12:29 AM

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But seriously, what has this thread come to? As someone else said, all Canada is is America Junior, with weaker currency.

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Not for long, take a look at this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CADUSD=X&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

It sucks for us Canadian online players, our earnings have decreased 15% in the past six months, because your currency sucks.

sourbeaver

11-08-2004, 12:32 AM

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Quebec City is one of my favorite cities in the world. Winters there would be pretty tough.....but it truly is a great city.

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What parts of Quebec city did you visit/When ?

I'm glad to hear some positive comments about my home /images/graemlins/smile.gif

sourbeaver

11-08-2004, 12:51 AM

yeah that's a kick in the nuts /images/graemlins/frown.gif

On the upside, vacations are gonna be way cheaper I guess.

zephyr

11-08-2004, 03:59 PM

Aha, my first response from one of the big wig's on these forum's. All it took was a spelling error. /images/graemlins/wink.gif Sorry, my native tongue is Canada's "other" official language.

Leavenfish

11-08-2004, 04:20 PM

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Evan - what box do you live in? Take a look out your window or maybe turn on your radio!

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Ummm...maybe that's his problem: listens to too much 'talk' radio...Limbaugh, Hannity, Liddy etc.--they make a living running down Canada and Europe quiet unfairly so as to advance their political causes upon an unsuspecting populace.

As a friend of mine pointed out a couple of days ago Alabama voted DOWN a referendum to REMOVE a law MANDATING the racial separation of classrooms. Hasn't been enforced since 1954 but still...
...still it speaks volumes about the kind of people that will turn out in droves to the polls in part because 'talk' radio riles them up about this and that issue.

---Leavenfish

Alobar

11-08-2004, 04:30 PM

because canada is to [censored] cold...that and you cant just move and not pay taxes, there is like all kinds of hoops to jump through and stuff

Blarg

11-08-2004, 05:14 PM

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Here's my opinion on this subject,

Good things about Canada:
- Everyone has health care
- People from my experience aren't as aggressive or as competitive
- There isn't as much racism as in the U.S (you guys are closing the gap here though)
- Education is partially subsidized so college is much more affordable.

Bad things about Canada:

- Taxes are considerably higher (Income tax is around 50%, Sales tax 14%)
- No private aspects of health care means it's not as cost effective and not as good (longer waits, etc...)
- People aren't as aggressive, but they aren't as motivated either.
- Our democracy isn't as good as yours, you guys vote on everything down there from social issues like gay marriage to stuff like whether you want to build a new sports centre, here too many important decisions are made solely by appointed judges or politicians. Also, censorship is huge up here and the liberal government controls all. Many radio talk shows have been banned up here as well as stuff like Fox News.
- It is ridiculously cold here in the winter. Last winter I remember a week straight of -30 to -40 temperatures.

Take it for what it's worth.

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All sounds fine to me.

So many tens of millions of Americans are uninsured, and so many of the rest are under-insured, that on balance I'd take Canada's health care system any day. As well as its educational system. Our high schools have been dumbed down so much that a great many of our college students can barely write, and do what I would consider 8th grade level work, at best -- if you were a dumb 8th grader.

I think I could live without the cold, but then again I'm not crazy about excessive heat, either, like you get in so many places down here.

If you get taxed the same as anybody else when you're a professional gambler, then going to Canada as a tax dodge wouldn't work unless you own your own business and declare that to be your profession(which some gamblers do) or play strictly B&M where nobody would really know.

However, being able to exclude the first $80,000 of income sure does still make a big difference for Americans, to the tune of tens of thousands saved per year, not to mention the cost of state taxes(pretty high in places like California, zero in some other states).

If you're paying American taxes already, is your tax burden offset somehow in Canada? What kind of taxes do they make you pay if you're a tax-paying American living in Canada?