Turbos and playing AA

[chill888]

Do people think turbos are a crap shoot?
lol just kidding Praying Mantis.....

Here's my real observation: I am writing this mainly to hard wire it into my head.

If you slow play a great hand like AA and 5 people call, it is now a mediocre hand if you don't flop trips. Any action means you are likely beat. Whenever you are in a multi way unraised pot preflop, you must remember that many players could have almost any two - especially BB/SB.

If you (I mean I) want to play AA fast post flop , you (I) should also play it fast preflop.

I am reading the above 5 times, spinning in a circle, and clicking my ruby red heels together.

Any thoughts/insights welcome,

gl

[Marcotte]

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Whenever you are in a multi way unraised pot preflop, you must remember that many players could have almost any two - especially BB/SB.


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This is very true, even those times you don't have AA /images/graemlins/smile.gif. I was playing a NL ring games ($100 restricted buyin, Commerce Casino) and flopped top pair, 2nd kicker with KQ on a K8x flop. It had been raised to either 10 or 15 pf, but that didn't stop 4 or 5 of us from coming along. The original raiser underbet the pot with his pocket Queens, and everyone called. I should have had the balls to raise. Pot was several hundred dollars by the time somebody made trips when the board paired the 8 on the river.

[TheDrone]

A few thoughts:

Sometimes I slowplay AA. There is a time and a place for it, just like there is a time and place to slowplay a set. My preflop action depends on my position, the action preceding mine, reads on players, etc etc. Most of the time I want at least one and no more than two callers seeing the flop with me, so I will try to size my bet accordingly. In SB I will often just complete with AA if folded to me unless I know that the BB likes to defend.

The tricky part is extracting value with AA when you are shortstacked and have been playing tight (not seeing many flops). It is very unfulfilling to pick up the blinds, yet pushing is often the best choice.

Postflop: If you don't flop a set, you still have the highest overpair and can play it accordingly, but don't get tied to it. I think that's the key - on the flop your hand is no longer the nuts, it's just a pair.

[PrayingMantis]

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Do people think turbos are a crap shoot?


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Bam!!!

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lol just kidding Praying Mantis.....


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Ooops. A bit too late... /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Anyway, IMO, if you're slow-playing AA PF, it's merely a question of risk-reward, and it depends on your ability to play a very solid post-flop game, especially if there are a lot of PF limpers, and you don't get your expected raise. Limping AA PF is a riskier move, with generally more potential for a bigger pot post flop (if someone is willing to pay for for your disguised hand) But if you find yourself against few opponents post, and then you wake up and start betting and they don't seem to back off, there's also a very good possibility you're behind, depending on the players and the situation.

I remember william once said here something about AA being pretty much dead if you limped it and got a few more callers with no raises. I think he is correct, in the sense that you can't really play it too strong now post, since there's a good chance you're behind. You could very well be drawing for 2 outs: are you solid enough to let your AA go? If not, liming PF could lead to some big mistakes.

So basically yes - if you don't play it strong PF, you should be carefull about over-playing it post. If you play it strong PF, in many cases (as the SNG stacks are pretty short) commiting yourself later on makes perfect sense.

Only my opinion.

[chill888]

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Do people think turbos are a crap shoot?


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Bam!!!

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lol just kidding Praying Mantis.....


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Ooops. A bit too late... /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Anyway, IMO, if you're slow-playing AA PF, it's merely a question of risk-reward, and it depends on your ability to play a very solid post-flop game, especially if there are a lot of PF limpers, and you don't get your expected raise. Limping AA PF is a riskier move, with generally more potential for a bigger pot post flop (if someone is willing to pay for for your disguised hand) But if you find yourself against few opponents post, and then you wake up and start betting and they don't seem to back off, there's also a very good possibility you're behind, depending on the players and the situation.

I remember william once said here something about AA being pretty much dead if you limped it and got a few more callers with no raises. I think he is correct, in the sense that you can't really play it too strong now post, since there's a good chance you're behind. You could very well be drawing for 2 outs: are you solid enough to let your AA go? If not, liming PF could lead to some big mistakes.

So basically yes - if you don't play it strong PF, you should be carefull about over-playing it post. If you play it strong PF, in many cases (as the SNG stacks are pretty short) commiting yourself later on makes perfect sense.

Only my opinion.

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Yep.....agreed ... just trying to play that way as well....lol

gl

[Cleveland Guy]

IMO - any pair your limp in with you are playing for set value in a multi way pot.

This goes for 33 just like it does for KK or AA.

I have this idea on my notepad next to my computer.

It keeps me from getting too fancy with any overpair when I limped it and there are at least 4-5 in the pot.

[ukgazz]

Never limp with AA on ths stars turbos... ever.... unless you are utg and are SURE there will be a raise you can come over.

But then again Chill it doesnt matter to you as you hate them and never play them anyway!

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[lorinda]

I pretty much always push preflop with AA in low limit games and turbo games, you just get called too often to bother messing around trying to outplay them.

Lori