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tubbyspencer

10-31-2004, 03:07 PM

It might not be my first, but it shure feels like it...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t675)
BB (t1025)
UTG (t670)
UTG+1 (t622)
UTG+2 (t855)
MP1 (t730)
MP2 (t950)
Hero (t943)
CO (t760)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP1 calls t15, MP2 calls t15, Hero calls t15, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets t35, MP2 folds, Hero raises to t222, SB calls t222, BB calls t222, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t187.

Turn: (t978) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t300, MP1 calls t300, Hero raises to t706 (All-In), SB folds, BB calls t406, MP1 calls t193 (All-In).

River: (t2883) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2883
Main Pot: t2457 (t2457), between BB, MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t2457).
Pot 2: t426 (t426), between BB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t426).

Results in white below: 
BB has 2h Js (straight, queen high).
MP1 has Qc Qs (full house, queens full of nines).
Hero has 9h 9d (four of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t2883. 

Comments? (other than nice river)

wjmooner

10-31-2004, 03:27 PM

If you raise to about 200 then you are seemingly giving yourself outs if a scary card hits.

Well, the worst possible card in the deck hits the turn, and you still pushed all in after a bet and a cold call.

Tough to fold sets in a SnG, but this is a clear fold in my opinion. I would think it is less than 5% of the time that one of the two doesn't have the straight, which was the case here. With only one card to come you are a huge dog, even without that pesky overset.

Chris

captZEEbo1

10-31-2004, 03:36 PM

this couldn't have been more than a $10 buyin

PrayingMantis

10-31-2004, 03:55 PM

It's a 2 outer. The J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif gives you the str8 flush.

tubbyspencer

10-31-2004, 08:36 PM

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It's a 2 outer. The J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif gives you the str8 flush.

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn, you're right. So much for my first ONE outter. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

reddawg1221

11-01-2004, 03:09 AM

First, this is my first post. I have spent weeks reading different threads and I have enjoyed every moment of it.

Anyway, if I am reading this correctly, you had more than just a two outer. Depending on what the others had you could have also paired the board with a q, t, or 8, to make a full house--giving you a total of 11 outs. If they both were showing straights then this is correct. Someone let me know if I am wrong. Thanks and I look forward to read more great threads!

reddawg1221

11-01-2004, 03:11 AM

Edit: also beating a flush.

lorinda

11-01-2004, 03:18 AM

Someone let me know if I am wrong.

MP1 turned a set of queens, but don't let that stop you from posting again. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lori

PrayingMantis

11-01-2004, 05:27 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
It's a 2 outer. The J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif gives you the str8 flush.

[/ QUOTE ] Damn, you're right. So much for my first ONE outter. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

No, I'm wrong. Taking another look at this hand, I'm realizing it wasn't a 1 outer, and not a 2 outer. It's actually a 10 outer . Quite amazing, yes, but it's a ten outer: ALL your flush outs are good, in retrospect.

lorinda

11-01-2004, 05:29 AM

Shall we delete this thread and start again.

How many SNGers does it take to count outs lol.

Lori

PrayingMantis

11-01-2004, 05:44 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Shall we delete this thread and start again.

How many SNGers does it take to count outs lol.

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We are soon going to realize hero was actually the favorite here... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

SNGers here should probably work more on their hand reading skills (including me). The title of this thread looks very funny now. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

PrayingMantis

11-01-2004, 06:49 AM

Ooops. 2 more outs for a split... /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

So it's 10 for a win, 2 more for a 3-way split.

I agree with Lori about deleting and starting all over again. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

lorinda

11-01-2004, 07:39 AM

I just worked out what you are missing.

Highlight the bottom of the post as if you were going to copy/paste.

It's standard procedure on this particular forum, it hides the results until you are ready to see what happened and makes it easier to form an opinion about a hand with no hindsight.

Lori

magiluke

11-01-2004, 07:49 AM

Wouldn't that be three outs; the three jacks? Or are you talking about two other outs?

PrayingMantis

11-01-2004, 08:38 AM

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Wouldn't that be three outs; the three jacks? Or are you talking about two other outs?

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The jack of diamonds gives hero the winning (straight) flush, and it's not a split. It's one of hero's 10 outs for a win (9 diamonds + the case 9). The two other jacks (Jc and Jh) give the 3 players the Q-high straight (on the board). Notice that there are only 3 jacks left, since BB has the Js.

So it's 10 outs for our hero to _win_ the hand, plus 2 more for a 3-way split.

Yarney

11-01-2004, 11:35 AM

I'm actually a little surprised that no one had the flush. I defintaely didnt see the set of queens coming.

-Yarney