Turning up your cards before calling?

[weekapaugz]

i think i've seen this discussion on the forum before, but in the 1993 WSOP, i just watched Mansour Matloubi, after being told it was allowed by the tournament director, turn up JJ on an A K 8 board, deciding whether or not to call a $300K bet from Jim Bechtel (would have put Matloubi all-in). was this previously allowed? i find this strange.

[tek]

Maybe he was looking for a tell when Bechtel saw his cards.

[Daliman]

Exactly the case. No longer allowable for this reason, also because many angle shooters would turn their cards over and the other player would either think he had called or mucked, and act accordingly.

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I can honestly say that I've used this move several times in live no limit games but I keep the cards close to my stack and just look at the other guy for a reaction. 5 out of 5 times I've gotten the right answer from their responses. But if they dont allow it in tournaments, I can understand that.

[jrobb83]

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Exactly the case. No longer allowable for this reason, also because many angle shooters would turn their cards over and the other player would either think he had called or mucked, and act accordingly.

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I really wish this was still allowed. It would add an exciting twist to the t.v. coverage of tournaments. I saw the incident in the ESPN classic coverage, and it was great television in an otherwise dull scene of grim looking middle aged men fiddling with chips.

That being said, the real reason this is no longer permitted is because of angle shooting. This is unfortuate because all players would have to do is verify that an action had taken place before surrendering their cards, and this would not be a problem.

[jomatty]

this was standard practice until it was outlawed. Doyle Brunson regularly used this tactic when holding QQ with an A or K on board, or with AA if he was thinking of making a big laydown. You can imagine how difficult it would be on a KQ7 board when you move in with AK and someone turns up AA and shows that if they call you will be in terrible shape. personally i wish this was still allowed. In live games it depends on where you play. In a casino it is usually considered bad ettiquette but not punishable. in some home games it is considered ethical in some it is not so its good to know where your playing
matty

[Slacker13]

I am pretty sure that I read in Supersytems that this was a move Doyle like to make to see the reaction from his opponents.

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I am pretty sure that I read in Supersytems that this was a move Doyle like to make to see the reaction from his opponents.

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Where do you think that I learned this from? hehe

[daryn]

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I can honestly say that I've used this move several times in live no limit games but I keep the cards close to my stack and just look at the other guy for a reaction. 5 out of 5 times I've gotten the right answer from their responses. But if they dont allow it in tournaments, I can understand that.

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whenver i see a clown make this kind of move in a home game against me, i just immediately start going through spasms of eye twitching and facial contortions.

stick that in your read!

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I can honestly say that I've used this move several times in live no limit games but I keep the cards close to my stack and just look at the other guy for a reaction. 5 out of 5 times I've gotten the right answer from their responses. But if they dont allow it in tournaments, I can understand that.

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whenver i see a clown make this kind of move in a home game against me, i just immediately start going through spasms of eye twitching and facial contortions.

stick that in your read!

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Well thanks for the home poker game reply. Considering that had nothing to do with the topic at hand! lol I can't say that I've ever played a home game and tried it.

[tek]

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...I just watched Mansour Matloubi, after being told it was allowed by the tournament director, turn up JJ on an A K 8 board...

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I just thought of soemthing--didn't it kind of ruin the idea by asking the floor? Bechtel could then get his poker face on.

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Yep, I can see that defeating the purpose. But if you didn't know it was coming and someone shows you their cards, you will react. Unless you are the utmost stone pro, you will have somesort of reaction including no reaction at all can be used as a tell.