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Fnord

10-28-2004, 09:17 AM

Hand 1
No read on MP yet. Table overall is passive and a little tight.

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Preflop: Fnord is CO with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, Fnord calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Fnord checks.

Turn: (1.70 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Fnord bets, BB folds, MP raises, Fnord calls.

River: (5.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

Hand 2
Same table. Both villians like to play "fit or fold"

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Preflop: Fnord is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, Fnord raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, CO calls, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Fnord bets, CO calls.

River: (7.20 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Fnord checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB

Hand 3

BB seems to a be a solid/aggro player

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, Fnord raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Fnord bets, BB raises, Fnord calls.

Turn: (4 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Fnord bets, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Fnord bets, BB raises, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Hand 4

No read on BB

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, Button folds, Fnord raises, BB 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Fnord bets, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Fnord bets, BB raises, Fnord calls.

River: (8 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Fnord checks, BB bets, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

imitation

10-28-2004, 09:36 AM

Hand 1: I think you can lay it down on the turn, pot's small. MP "could" be CR the turn with Ac or something but i doubt it, even so you'll find better opportunities to take this to the river and find out what kind of player you're up against.

Hand 2: Betting the river has to be close, because you might get CO to fold a T, and if you check I think you'll probably call a bet? But I think you'd have heard on the turn if you were up against an A or a flush, so you're unlikely to be raised and if you are you can definitely fold it. I'm trying to consider wether a co-ordinated board / high card board like this works in your favour for inducing a bluff, I really don't think so. That pushes me in favour of betting, checking is unlikely to induce a bluff and with betting you have a chance to push CO from a better hand.

Hand 3: I can dig it. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hand 4: Fine, CR the turn is another idea it will scare the bojangles out of BB (unless they've got AK) even then you're unlikely to be 3bet and if you are you have plenty of outs. If you CR and are just called gosh darn it'd be tempting to lead the river(i'm so LAG when I look at hands).

Trix

10-28-2004, 10:46 AM

1) I fold preflop, if its passive, then you can probably play. I think you will pick it up often enough on the flop if you bet.
The turn CR from MP will have you crushed often enough to fold.

2) What does "fit or fold" have on the turn that makes u want to bet ?

3) I probably fold to the flopraise. Think both betting and check-calling is fine on the turn.
If he is very aggro, then you have to call the river, else it´s probably fine.
The bet may actually be bad, I´m not sure he will call an 8 here, when the board has a 4flush and the is an ace.
4) think check-calling the turn may be better, dont think he will fold anything else than 99-77, but will raise often.

imitation

10-28-2004, 01:10 PM

Yeh sorry I forgot to say with hand 1 muck that preflop.

spider

10-28-2004, 04:59 PM

I don't know if you are paying enough attention to pot size. As already mentioned, there is not enough money to call the turn raise in hand #1.

Conversely, there is too much money in the pot to fold on the river in hand #3. You're probably toast but nowhere near the 90% of the time you have to be to fold against a guy you described as "solid/aggro". Unless by "solid" you were implying "absolutely never bluffs".

spider

10-28-2004, 05:18 PM

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The bet may actually be bad, I´m not sure he will call an 8 here, when the board has a 4flush and the is an ace.

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Yeah, I definitely check the river in #3. He will have a better hand most of the time that he calls or raises. Conversely, you'll induce a lot of bluffs with a check.