Etiquette For Calling Out Mucked Cards

[gaming_mouse]

When I play in a live casino, players only occassionaly ask to see mucked cards after a showdown.

Is it considered rude to be asking for the cards to be turned up whenever you can?

If so, how often is appropriate?

Thanks,
gm

[Evan]

Tommy Angelo wrote a great article about this rule.

Tommy's Article (http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/i_want_to_see_that_hand.htm)

[fishman]

It is never appropriate to ask to see mucked cards unless you honestly beleive there is collusion. If someone asks to see your cards, ask them if they think you are cheating and with whom. If they say they just want to see them, throw them in the muck.

[Evan]

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ask them if they think you are cheating and with whom

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okay, and if the guy says, "yes, with the old guy wearing the funny hat," then what do you say? or do you just throw them in the muck anyway?

Listen, here's the deal. These people are allowed to ask to see your cards without accusing you of cheating. It's supposed to be to prevent collusion but you can't refuse because they don't think you're colluding. If you really don't want to show them then throw them in the muck as fast as you can and make sure they touch it. Once a card hits the muck its dead and connot be revealed. End of story.

[mostsmooth]

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Once a card hits the muck its dead and connot be revealed. End of story.

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this is not accurate

[Evan]

Any dealer that takes cards out of the muck and tables them sucks. That's accurate.

[mostsmooth]

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Any dealer that takes cards out of the muck and tables them sucks. That's accurate.

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lol, that ill agree with

[fishman]

"and if the guy says, "yes, with the old guy wearing the funny hat," then what do you say? or do you just throw them in the muck anyway?"

I'd show him my cards, call the floor, and ask him to explain. But we all know that isn't going to happen because all thats ever intended when asking to see cards is to gain information that they shouldn't get. Its crap. By doing it my way, I let the person know, nicely, that they are applying a rule wrongly. Hopefully that ends it right there. Most newbies don't understand what the rule is for.

[The Dude]

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Once a card hits the muck its dead and connot be revealed. End of story.

this is not accurate

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In the cardrooms I play in it is.

[Evan]

Honestly, what do you think these people gain by seeing your cards. They don't think, "He check-raised the flop with only a draw," they think, "he had ATs and made the nuts, he's a good player."

I was playing 5/10 on Tuesday night. One hand I open raised UTG and one guy remarks, "hey, you haven't played a hand in an hour," as he tossed 2 chips into the pot.

You can give these guys all the information in the world and its not gonna matter.

I agree that its stupid that they can ask to see your hand, but seriously it really doesn't even matter.

[mostsmooth]

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In the cardrooms I play in it is.

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so in your cardroom, player A shows the winning hand first, player B acknowledges the winner and pushes his hand to the dealer face down, then somebody says "let me see that hand", does the dealer kill the hand before flipping it over or do they kill it first?

[SheridanCat]

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In the cardrooms I play in it is.

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so in your cardroom, player A shows the winning hand first, player B acknowledges the winner and pushes his hand to the dealer face down, then somebody says "let me see that hand", does the dealer kill the hand before flipping it over or do they kill it first?

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Right. I've never seen a dealer flip a hand up that handn't been touched to the muck. If you don't kill the hand and you flip the hand up, guess what? It can still win the hand.

Regards,

T