DownLow
10-26-2004, 05:32 PM
Long time lurker, recent poster, yada, yada, yada. I have been playing the Stars 5, 10 and 20 single table SnGs. The 20's are a recent move, I feel I have been doing OK but there are certainly some leaks I need to plug to ensure long-term profitability. Here are my results for each buyin:
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$5.00 Buy in:
Total Tournaments: 16
Finishes:
Place Total % of Total
1 4 25
2 2 12.5
3 1 6.25
4 2 12.5
5 1 6.25
6 0 0
7 2 12.5
8 1 6.25
9 3 18.75
ITM: 43.75%
ROI: 43.18%
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Ouch! 19% 9th places! I am doing something VERY wrong early but this is just a small sample, let's look at the 10's:
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$10.00 Buy in:
Total Tournaments: 371
Finishes:
Place Total % of Total
1 73 19.68
2 32 8.63
3 44 11.86
4 46 12.4
5 36 9.7
6 41 11.05
7 35 9.43
8 32 8.63
9 32 8.63
ITM: 40.16%
ROI: 20.9%
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OK, this looks like a big enough sample to get some meaning. The first problem I see is that I am finishing 7-9 26.6% of the time. I am getting involved in big hands early and losing. What are the range of hands that you normally play at this stage? Group 1 only?
6th place is 11% all by itself. I think I am overvaluing my hands and switching gears a little early here. This also may be due to me bleeding chips early, which I'll discuss later.
4th place. The bubble. I seem to go out here more than I should. I think either I am short stacked and end up doing a blind steal push into a stronger hand, or I am the large stack and get too tight and bleed all my chips away to the more aggressive players. What are the range of hands you push with on the short stack? What are the range of hands you call a SS push with on the big stack? What is a good middle stack strat (frequent blind steals, tight play, loose play, ???)?
3rd place I take because I either just slipped by the bubble and end up going out quick or I get too aggressive and end up losing my stack. I don't think this is a bad play, I want to take first and I think 3 handed is certainly the time to make my move if I'm not already the big stack. However, I feel I may not be playing correctly 3 handed, anyone care to share their strategy at this stage?
2nd and 1st. I consider myself a fairly strong heads-up player so I am not surprised to see the 2nd-1st distribution. I am fairly happy with the 1st place finishes.
I think if I can move just a few of the 4ths to 3rds and the 3rds to 2nds I would be much better off (well, obviously!). I think my leak here is my bubble play. I am working on plugging the leaks in my play here, but it can be difficult to apply the theory when you are getting desperate. Also, my bubble periods seem to be growing. I used to get through the bubble fairly fast, either going out or getting into the money within a few orbits. But lately, the bubble has been lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour. I don't know if it is because I have been changing my play to try to survive here or if my opponents play is changing or if it just a random fluctuation but it is getting very frustrating and I fear it may be causing me to tilt slightly when I have been in bubble play for a while.
Now for the 20's:
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$20.00 Buy in:
Total Tournaments: 22
Finishes:
Place Total % of Total
1 5 22.73
2 2 9.09
3 3 13.64
4 4 18.18
5 0 0
6 1 4.55
7 4 17.39
8 1 4.55
9 3 13.64
ITM: 43.48%
ROI: 31.82%
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Small sample size (I just started playing 20's this week). My first several games were in the money, but now I seem to be falling into my old habits of going out early. My 7th-9th place is terrible. I am also getting bubbled out more frequently (ach! 2 more 4th places last night that aren't in PT yet!). I may be getting too passive on the bubble due to the higher buyin. Now I am really confused, I can't decide whether I am too passive or aggressive on the bubble, neither seems to be doing me any good.
Now some random PT thoughts. I have a total VP$IP of 34.21. According to what I have read on the forums, this is much too high. I think this is influenced by 2 things. First, I tend to limp quite a few hands in the 10/20 and 20/30 rounds hoping for a big flop. I think this may be part of the reason that so many of my early finishes, I get a flop that is big but not big enough or I make some stupid bluff move early and get called out. Second, I think this stat is influenced by short-handed play, most of my later blind levels have a VP$IP of over 50%. Is this too much even short-handed (my heads up is probably closer to 70%
Another curious stat I have noticed that may be a big leak is AKs. PT shows a loss of .29 BB/hand over 78 occurances. I don't know if this is due to the fact that I push so much with this hand, or that I tend to bet the flop whether or not it hit, but I certainly need to look deeper into this and find out where all my $ is going with this hand.
My PFR% is 14.18. I have not seen too much discussion of this stat on the forum, anyone care to comment on this? Pretty standard, too passive? My total aggression score comes out to 1.21. This seems much more passive than other people who have posted this stat, comments? Too much limping?
All in all I feel I am a decent player but I tend to make rash decisions that lose me money. I know that I have just posted general information but if anything jumps out that looks way off, please let me know. I know I have a ton of leaks in my game but it can be hard to identify them and even harder to apply the solution to actual gameplay.
All constructive critisism gladly accepted. Thanks to anyone who would care to comment.
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$5.00 Buy in:
Total Tournaments: 16
Finishes:
Place Total % of Total
1 4 25
2 2 12.5
3 1 6.25
4 2 12.5
5 1 6.25
6 0 0
7 2 12.5
8 1 6.25
9 3 18.75
ITM: 43.75%
ROI: 43.18%
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Ouch! 19% 9th places! I am doing something VERY wrong early but this is just a small sample, let's look at the 10's:
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$10.00 Buy in:
Total Tournaments: 371
Finishes:
Place Total % of Total
1 73 19.68
2 32 8.63
3 44 11.86
4 46 12.4
5 36 9.7
6 41 11.05
7 35 9.43
8 32 8.63
9 32 8.63
ITM: 40.16%
ROI: 20.9%
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OK, this looks like a big enough sample to get some meaning. The first problem I see is that I am finishing 7-9 26.6% of the time. I am getting involved in big hands early and losing. What are the range of hands that you normally play at this stage? Group 1 only?
6th place is 11% all by itself. I think I am overvaluing my hands and switching gears a little early here. This also may be due to me bleeding chips early, which I'll discuss later.
4th place. The bubble. I seem to go out here more than I should. I think either I am short stacked and end up doing a blind steal push into a stronger hand, or I am the large stack and get too tight and bleed all my chips away to the more aggressive players. What are the range of hands you push with on the short stack? What are the range of hands you call a SS push with on the big stack? What is a good middle stack strat (frequent blind steals, tight play, loose play, ???)?
3rd place I take because I either just slipped by the bubble and end up going out quick or I get too aggressive and end up losing my stack. I don't think this is a bad play, I want to take first and I think 3 handed is certainly the time to make my move if I'm not already the big stack. However, I feel I may not be playing correctly 3 handed, anyone care to share their strategy at this stage?
2nd and 1st. I consider myself a fairly strong heads-up player so I am not surprised to see the 2nd-1st distribution. I am fairly happy with the 1st place finishes.
I think if I can move just a few of the 4ths to 3rds and the 3rds to 2nds I would be much better off (well, obviously!). I think my leak here is my bubble play. I am working on plugging the leaks in my play here, but it can be difficult to apply the theory when you are getting desperate. Also, my bubble periods seem to be growing. I used to get through the bubble fairly fast, either going out or getting into the money within a few orbits. But lately, the bubble has been lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour. I don't know if it is because I have been changing my play to try to survive here or if my opponents play is changing or if it just a random fluctuation but it is getting very frustrating and I fear it may be causing me to tilt slightly when I have been in bubble play for a while.
Now for the 20's:
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$20.00 Buy in:
Total Tournaments: 22
Finishes:
Place Total % of Total
1 5 22.73
2 2 9.09
3 3 13.64
4 4 18.18
5 0 0
6 1 4.55
7 4 17.39
8 1 4.55
9 3 13.64
ITM: 43.48%
ROI: 31.82%
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Small sample size (I just started playing 20's this week). My first several games were in the money, but now I seem to be falling into my old habits of going out early. My 7th-9th place is terrible. I am also getting bubbled out more frequently (ach! 2 more 4th places last night that aren't in PT yet!). I may be getting too passive on the bubble due to the higher buyin. Now I am really confused, I can't decide whether I am too passive or aggressive on the bubble, neither seems to be doing me any good.
Now some random PT thoughts. I have a total VP$IP of 34.21. According to what I have read on the forums, this is much too high. I think this is influenced by 2 things. First, I tend to limp quite a few hands in the 10/20 and 20/30 rounds hoping for a big flop. I think this may be part of the reason that so many of my early finishes, I get a flop that is big but not big enough or I make some stupid bluff move early and get called out. Second, I think this stat is influenced by short-handed play, most of my later blind levels have a VP$IP of over 50%. Is this too much even short-handed (my heads up is probably closer to 70%
Another curious stat I have noticed that may be a big leak is AKs. PT shows a loss of .29 BB/hand over 78 occurances. I don't know if this is due to the fact that I push so much with this hand, or that I tend to bet the flop whether or not it hit, but I certainly need to look deeper into this and find out where all my $ is going with this hand.
My PFR% is 14.18. I have not seen too much discussion of this stat on the forum, anyone care to comment on this? Pretty standard, too passive? My total aggression score comes out to 1.21. This seems much more passive than other people who have posted this stat, comments? Too much limping?
All in all I feel I am a decent player but I tend to make rash decisions that lose me money. I know that I have just posted general information but if anything jumps out that looks way off, please let me know. I know I have a ton of leaks in my game but it can be hard to identify them and even harder to apply the solution to actual gameplay.
All constructive critisism gladly accepted. Thanks to anyone who would care to comment.