Fishing in murky waters...

G'day 7CStud players!


Its been a while since my last post (I've been too busy trying to improve my game) so I apologies for my lack of participation.


Well, I found myself a dozen units up after being a little bit more than that amount down when the following scenario arose...


Venue: Taj Mahal

Game: 5/10 7CS (Table at the Keno end - Room temperature chilly as usual!)


P1 (Good lookin' lady in 40s with Jewelery) : Absent

P2 (Young whipper snapper in tank top without dark glass on) : xx Ks

P3 (Middle aged short Italian - just from another game in my previous seat): xx 9c

P4 (Aged lady with a foreign accent) : xx 10h

P5 (Middle aged rock with some gold) : xx Kd

P6 (Another Middle aged player who has been jumping from table to table) : xx 8h

P7 (Retired plump lady who knows all the rules) : Absent

P8 (Me!) : 5d5c 6d


I post and P3 raises and only P6 drops! Hmmmm!!!!


4th STREET


P1 (Good lookin' lady in 40s with plenty of Jewelery) : Absent

P2 (Young whipper snapper in tank top without dark glass on): xx KsQs

P3 (Middle aged short Italian - just from another game in my previous seat) : xx 9cJd

P4 (Aged lady with a foreign accent) : xx 10h3c

P5 (Middle Aged rock with some gold) : xx Kd5h

P6 (Another Middle aged player who has been jumping from table to table) : xx 8h

P7 (Retired plump lady who knows all the rules) : Absent

P8 (Me!) : 5d5c 6d6s


I check waiting to see what P3 will do...

P2 bets $10! P3 Raises $20. P4,P5 drops.


Up to me. I reraise to $30!!! (Bold move... I thought!)

P2 comes in for xtra $20. P3 makes it $40 and capped.


Oh no! I think to myself that I have set myself up... One five gone... But I decide to go in for the xtra $10.


My read on P2 is straight/flush and P3 rolled up 9s.


Was I wrong to check/raise? I wanted a read on P2 and get him out of there and play against P3 who was going to be all in.


Comments??? Before I post Part Deux...

Given the size of the pot, and the fact that all of your cards are live on 3rd street, I think it's an OK call.


But on fourth, you check-re-raise and get re-raised. Your check-raise has sent a message that you've got trip 6s. When 9J raises you back, he's probably signaling that he can beat your trips. You've also got a likely very live four-flush drawing against you.


With a dead five, you've got three outs to fill up, and even if you do, your hand may be no good to 9s or Jacks full. I'd release to the re-raise.


I think this is an example of a small mistake early becoming very costly late.


Doc.

Thats what I thought...


However, P3 was going to be all in and P2 (young whipper snapper had a few share of bluffs during my stay)...


I continued! Stay tuned...


Brudder Andrusha

The third street call is pretty straightforward, with all those callers between you and the raiser.


But I think it's a clear and easy fold on fourth street. Two small pair do not make a hand good enough to take up against people who seem to be unafraid of paired doorcards.


(I think I know how the story ends: you fill up on fifth street, and P3's (JJ)9J never improves; you drag a huge pot. Nice hand, sir, very well played.)

Again I tend to agree with you and Doctor K that

by capping time I'm a sardine out of water.


Interesting prognostics...


In writing up Part Deux, so the tale continues.

I would be more inclined to lead on fourth street, rather than check and find out what the other guy does. If I were to check, it would be with the intention of folding. Once it's bet and raised to you, I think you have an easy fold.

At this point, I don't even want to know anymore: shove the whole thing up your kazoo.

the check part might be Ok depending onyour rationale (i would almost always bet heresince there is no guarantee that someone will bet into you and you can give the impression that you have trips) but what hand did you think they had that was worth another raise by you? you are up against KsQs and 9cJd. you have two pair and if they both even have a pair then you are a dog overall. What was your rationale for raising? you will not knock anyone out and it is possible you do not have the best hand at the moment. if you really thought that you were up against trips and a s/f draw you should fold after it is raised twice. did you think he was rolled up before you reraised?


This is not to say you should definitely fold, but only if you really thought you were up against trips. actually folding is better than raising I think. I see no reason to raise here. Rather, i would just call here and see what fifth street brings.


Pat

OK. So I've upset some of our venerable lurkers on this list.


The air of anticipation has filled the table before the FIFTH Street flop.

The ladies have returned, And there's more fixation from the folded players

than from us battlers...


5th STREET (Anticipation street)


P1 (Good lookin' lady in 40s with plenty of Jewelery) : Absent

P2 (Young whipper snapper in tank top without dark glass on): xx Ks Qs Jd

P3 (Middle aged short Italian - just from another game in my previous seat) : xx 9c Jd Qh

P4 (Aged lady with a foreign accent) : xx 10h3c --> F

P5 (Middle Aged rock with some gold) : xx Kd 5h --> F

P6 (Another Middle aged player who has been jumping from table to table) : xx 8h --> F

P7 (Retired plump lady who knows all the rules) : Absent

P8 (Me!) : 5d5c 6d 6s 2d


Knowing the style of P3 and knowing that he's about to be

all in (and also reading him as a rolled up 9s know that the Jd has landed) I have no qualms but to check...


Lo and behold P2 lands $10. (Why I ask myself?)

P3 Raises all in to $14. Although I should have folded earlier

as mentioned in the 3 replies this far I feel perplexed at

the young whipper-snappers reluctance to give respect to

the P3 (who by now is really huffing and puffing).


So I place the $14 in and P3 places his $4.


6th STREET (Lets get down and boogie)


P1 (Good lookin' lady in 40s with plenty of Jewelery) : Absent

P2 (Young whipper snapper in tank top without dark glass on): xx Ks Qs Jd 4h

P3 (Middle aged short Italian - just from another game in my previous seat): xx 9c Jd Qh 2h

P4 (Aged lady with a foreign accent) : xx 10h 3c --> F

P5 (Middle Aged rock with some gold) : xx Kd 5h --> F

P6 (Another Middle aged player who has been jumping from table to table) : xx 8h --> F

P7 (Retired plump lady who knows all the rules) : Absent

P8 (Me!) : 5d5c 6d 6s 2d 2s


I place a huge grin on my face...

(Little do they know of my predictament!!!)


Action to me. $10 in side pot. P2 Is thinking... thinking...

P3 is huffing and puffing in his ear...

OK He's in... (P3 is already all in.)


RIVER


-> You tell me 'coz I'm checking to the young stud in Seat II before I even look at my card.

Pat:

what hand did you think they had that was worth another raise by you?


I thought P2 was more likely on a straight while P3 was a pair of As on the 1st raise and definetely rolled up 9s when capped @ $40.


What was your rationale for raising?


Hoping to get P2 out of the equation!!! And semi-bluffing P3.


did you think he was rolled up before you reraised?


No... Only after he capped at $40.


cheers,

Brudder Andrusha

Lemme guess. You catch nothing, Player 3 has unimproved Pocket Aces and just wanted to get allin with them. Player 2 Has a busted Straight flush draw and can only show down a lone pair of Jacks.


You win with 6s up.

We're all disciplined enough to avoid looking at results before posting advice/impressions/etc.


When you wait three days to finish your post (if, indeed, you do actually finish it Wednesday, and don't proceed to part [i]quatre[i] on Thursday) I tend to lose interest in the way that many people lose interest when looking at those online hand histories.


Just my two cents.


Doc.

When the post is complete you can go to answer right away...


Reminds of the good ol' text book with the answers in the back of the book.


I'll get to it shortly.


Actually, I want to see how many *views* I generated.


Thanx4cummin

RIVER


P1 (Good lookin' lady in 40s with plenty of Jewelery) : Absent

P2 (Young whipper snapper in tank top without dark glass on): xx Ks Qs Jd 4h

P3 (Middle aged short Italian - just from another game in my previous seat): xx 9c Jd Qh 2h

P4 (Aged lady with a foreign accent) : xx 10h 3c --> F

P5 (Middle Aged rock with some gold) : xx Kd 5h --> F

P6 (Another Middle aged player who has been jumping from table to table) : xx 8h --> F

P7 (Retired plump lady who knows all the rules) : Absent

P8 (Me!) : 5d5c 6d 6s 2d 2s


-> You tell me 'coz I'm checking to the young stud in Seat II before I even look at my card.


I'm waiting and waiting for P2 to act and the others on the table are starting to grumble...


He checks with money in his hand...


P3 All in is already so pissed off that hes starting to give P2 an earful...


I look into my cards.


P2 face is like a stunned mullet!


Sign of relief...


6c


Turn the cards over and P6 says "overkill"

I'm starting to laugh as loud in some bizarre hysteria.


P3 turns to P2 - "He had 3 sixes - why didaya stay?"


A round later P2 says, "You were never gonna get me out of that hand.

I was Kings up after 4 cards..."


I reckon he was telling the table crap.


P3 got up and P2 was throwing his cards at the dealer!


After the next hand I took the money and went and had some fries on Broadwalk!!!


Yummy!!!


EPILOGUE


I read P3 correctly who was rolled up 9s not improving but P2 seemed to be in denial.

I'll count my blessings, take the money and RUN!!!


cheers,

Brudder Andrusha