Is it over???

[texaspimp]

Do the Sox have too much karma for the Cards?

Is this the year to Sox break the curse?

[Michael Davis]

Yes, when one team wins the first two games of a series, they don't lose.

-Michael

[2planka]

F the curse. 9 down 2 to go.

[Raiser]

As a Cards fan, I'm hopeful, but I'd say it's over. /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/mad.gif It's just way too hard to beat a good team 4 out of 5 games.

The Sox are impressive. They just have so many good at bats. They put so much pressure on the other team's pitching staff. I've heard so much about how bad the Cardinals pitching is, but they were 2nd in the NL in pitching. They are not a bad staff. Missing Carpenter (their best starter) hurts, but the other guys have pitched good all year too. They don't have any power guys, but they have a lot of bend but don't break arms. The Sox just keep coming with good at bats and the pitch counts get higher and higher and then the Cards pithchers do break.

[challenger84]

Hi troll, weren't you supposed to leave after your beloved Astros lost?

[challenger84]

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[Raiser]

Up yours douche bag. Just because I'm realistic, you have no standing on which to question my loyalty to the Cardinals.

BTW, the Cards weren't anywhere near the playoffs in 1986, but I'm sure you knew that as a huge fan yourself.

[challenger84]

Whoops, meant to say Mets, but you knew that. Doesn't change the fact that you're a fairweather fan.

[Raiser]

You are dim.

Being realistic does not equal being a fair weather fan.

[Neil Stevens]

It's not realistic to say it's over now, when all the Cardinals have to do is hold home field (which they have throughout the playoffs this year), plus steal one of two in Boston.

Saying it's over now isn't realism. It's defeatism.

[GuyOnTilt]

Do the Sox have too much karma for the Cards?

Do you know the real meaning of karma?

GoT

[Raiser]

Yeah, all they have to do is win 4 of the next 5 games against a great team. That's no biggie.

Let me be clear. I love the Cardinals. I've been a fan my entire life. I was heartbroken by the Twins in 1987 and pissed off at Don Denkinger in 1985. By stating that I think it's over, I am not in any way jumping off of some bandwagon that challenger84 has claimed that I am on. I am only stating my opinion as a knowledgable baseball fan.

[challenger84]

Yea, with the next 3 at home, where they are 6-0 so far in the postseason. If the next 3 were in Boston, I might be more pessimistic, but I guarantee they will be going back to Boston for game 6, and after that, who knows? It looks like Schilling is out for the series, so game 6 could be very winnable.

[texaspimp]

Enjoy your moment in the sun, trollenger84.

I hope the Cards win. Guess that means I'm a fan, huh??

[tripdad]

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Do the Sox have too much karma for the Cards?

Do you know the real meaning of karma?

GoT

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loosely, fate or destiny.

cheers!

[sublime]

you dont live up to your posting name

there is no curse

what does karma have to do with anything? unless of course karma is texas slang for pitching

[sublime]

Challenger,

what makes you so confident it will go six games? the red sox have the pitching advantage in the next two games and the cards have been given MANY chances to win games one and two and just couldnt get it done. i dont knock you for having blind confidence in your team, but you have WATCHED the last two games right?

[ThaSaltCracka]

well, Boston has a few things to be worried about too. STL has been hitting the ball well, just right at certain people, plus they are going to STL where Millar's bat won't be in the lineup, and Ortiz is playing 1b. I think the National League style of ball hurts the AL teams much more than the AL style hurts NL teams.

2 pennies.

[challenger84]

If you've been watching the Cardinals postseason games, you must have noticed their decided home field advantage. They beat good LA pitchers and Houston pitchers with relative ease (game 7 anyone?). 6-0 at home is not a fluke. I know for a fact the Cards will win at least 2 of 3 in St. L.

[sublime]

I know for a fact the Cards will win at least 2 of 3 in St. L

cards in 6

im convinced

[challenger84]

1986

[sublime]

i agree with all your points

but i am not concerned with this "decided" home field advantage stuff, especially when #1 it has been proven through research that homefield advantage in baseball is the leat important of the 4 major sports, and #2 the red sox are better than either team StL "beat up" in the playoffs.

[sublime]

2004 /images/graemlins/confused.gif

WTF does 1986 have to do with anything?

[challenger84]

Allright, let's suspend this discussion until Thursday night. Everything will be much more clear then.

[sublime]

no
until tuesday night
when the cards face pedro


cards in 6

[challenger84]

I don't know, I just think a lot of Red Sox fans in 1986 probably felt the same way you do right now. But if you want to talk 2004, lets talk about a certain team that was up 3-0 in a certain series. My point is just that it's way too early to act like this series is over.

[challenger84]

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cards in 6

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/images/graemlins/confused.gif Is this what passes for humor these days? God, I must be out of touch.


red sox in 4


There, was that funny? I'm so confused.

[nolanfan34]

If you're really confused...

He's referencing that you can't guarantee 2 out of 3, and Cards in 6. Dat math don't add up.

I still think the Cards will win a couple of games, and we'll see how much smack Boston fans are talking then.

[kyro]

but it's ok to say it's a "fact" they will win at least 2 of 3 in STL?

The series is far from over, for sure. But our foolish dreams have a better chance of coming true than yours.

*EDIT* I'm a libelous fool

[challenger84]

Eh, whatever. I don't think I even said Cards in 6. But yea, whatever.

[challenger84]

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the cardinals will win the next 4 games

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Please provide a link to the post where I said this. The only claim I ever made was that there would be a game 6 in Boston. I stick by that claim.

[craig r]

they beat 1 good Hou pitcher and what good LA pitchers did they beat? weaver is not great, munro not great, backe is not great either. I am not saying that the cards will not win any at home, but they didn't beat anybody that great either. I think their home field advantage is be taken way to far. It is highly over valued right now. If they sweep at home, I will be convinced otherwise. But, if boston takes even 1 of 3, that will not really convince me that they have a decided homefield advantage. And, the big ?? is Ortiz right now. And maybe he won't do as bad as everyone thinks.

And all this 1986 stuff is a bunch of crap. Nobody on here cares about it. If STL doesn't sweep at home, they are at a huge disadvantage going back to boston. With or w/out schilling.

craig

[scrub]

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well, Boston has a few things to be worried about too. STL has been hitting the ball well, just right at certain people, plus they are going to STL where Millar's bat won't be in the lineup, and Ortiz is playing 1b. I think the National League style of ball hurts the AL teams much more than the AL style hurts NL teams.

2 pennies.

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Astonishingly, TsC comes up with the most sensible post in the thread. This isn't exactly the time for Sox fans to be getting triumphal. We've been very fortunate so far, let's hope it stays that way.

scrub

[Dynasty]

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If you've been watching the Cardinals postseason games, you must have noticed their decided home field advantage. They beat good LA pitchers and Houston pitchers with relative ease (game 7 anyone?). 6-0 at home is not a fluke. I know for a fact the Cards will win at least 2 of 3 in St. L.

[/ QUOTE ]

It seems all Cardinal fans are talking about this big home field advantage of theirs. So, I looked up the regualar seaon sats to see how much merit it has.

Cardinals:
Regular Season: 105-57 .648
Home: 53-28 .654
Away: .642

Based on the regular season, the Cardinals don't appear to play any better at home than they do on the road.