Cosimo
10-24-2004, 12:41 AM
When should I go for overcalls vs raising the flop?
A couple hands popped up tonight when I flopped a set on a two-color board. I'm not too aggressive--my PT stats have me at around 1.4 A-TOT. I'm trying to work on that, and one hole I have is too often waiting for the turn to raise. If either of these flops was rainbow, I think I'd raise more easily. On the other hand, I think I need to raise more on the flop when there's a possible flush draw, since I'm ahead at that point and (if they don't have it) a 3rd flush card will kill my action.
Hand 1 : No raise preflop, and just four players. I don't have the top set in this hand, and the board is coordinated enough for a straight draw to be out there. I'll be first to act on every post-flop round.
BB is a bad bluffer; he bets with nothing into scary boards against players that will call down with any piece of the board. UTG and UTG+1 are typical poor players--not too loose or aggressive; I don't have specific reads on them.
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Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">5 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: (4 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
Hero ...
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Hand 2 : Pot is 3-bet preflop, with two opponents. I'm first to act on all rounds, which means my primary weapon shall be the check-raise. Due to the heavy betting, I'm less inclined to think a flush draw is out there. Also, I've got the best hand. Raise now, or wait for a blank/semi-blank on the turn?
I haven't seen UTG get too out of line; he called in MP with 87s and didn't raise the field when he flopped a flush draw. Not much else. MP2 is very loose pre and post, and tricky: he won't raise with trips or top two pair on the flop (he waits til the turn), and he limps with AA and AKo preflop.
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Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (13.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP2 calls, Hero ...
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I learned a lot just posting this. I've spent about an hour touching it up, converting the hands, copying the reads over, etc. I think that's the biggest benefit for me in posting, because I kinda feel like I know exactly what y'all will say... /images/graemlins/grin.gif Oh well, bring it on!
A couple hands popped up tonight when I flopped a set on a two-color board. I'm not too aggressive--my PT stats have me at around 1.4 A-TOT. I'm trying to work on that, and one hole I have is too often waiting for the turn to raise. If either of these flops was rainbow, I think I'd raise more easily. On the other hand, I think I need to raise more on the flop when there's a possible flush draw, since I'm ahead at that point and (if they don't have it) a 3rd flush card will kill my action.
Hand 1 : No raise preflop, and just four players. I don't have the top set in this hand, and the board is coordinated enough for a straight draw to be out there. I'll be first to act on every post-flop round.
BB is a bad bluffer; he bets with nothing into scary boards against players that will call down with any piece of the board. UTG and UTG+1 are typical poor players--not too loose or aggressive; I don't have specific reads on them.
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Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">5 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: (4 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
Hero ...
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Hand 2 : Pot is 3-bet preflop, with two opponents. I'm first to act on all rounds, which means my primary weapon shall be the check-raise. Due to the heavy betting, I'm less inclined to think a flush draw is out there. Also, I've got the best hand. Raise now, or wait for a blank/semi-blank on the turn?
I haven't seen UTG get too out of line; he called in MP with 87s and didn't raise the field when he flopped a flush draw. Not much else. MP2 is very loose pre and post, and tricky: he won't raise with trips or top two pair on the flop (he waits til the turn), and he limps with AA and AKo preflop.
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Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (13.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP2 calls, Hero ...
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I learned a lot just posting this. I've spent about an hour touching it up, converting the hands, copying the reads over, etc. I think that's the biggest benefit for me in posting, because I kinda feel like I know exactly what y'all will say... /images/graemlins/grin.gif Oh well, bring it on!