AKs versus the flush?

[Sent]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero ???

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Guy just joined the table so I have no read on him. The river gave me 2 pair but it wasn't a very good card either.

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[Rubeskies]

You may have just reamed his lower 2 pair and I think you are good here 1 in 9. Make the call.

Buttom may also have been bluffing on the turn when it was heads up when the scare card came. I've seen more ill-advised bluff attempts.

[nothumb]

No reads, I call this down. Gets you some info on this player when you're no good.

NT

[Brunger]

This is a tough spot but how about betting out and folding to a raise. It would be difficult for a typical player to raise with a small diamond yet many will call with two smaller pair or even just an ace. I would check call only if I thought the guy was a maniac and therefore liable to bet a worse hand or I just want to get a read on what he called and raised turn with.

[Fat Nicky]

I think I like this line best. Good first post.

[mikeyKay]

i think betting out and folding to a raise is a bad idea. why not check call and pay the same one bet for a showdown, instead of not having one. a worse hand will most likely not call the bet, prolly raise instead, and force you out. also, a better hand will always raise. induce the bluff and hopefully be good 1 out of 9 times.

-mike

[Fat Nicky]

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a worse hand will most likely not call the bet, prolly raise instead

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please explain this reasoning. I can't see a worse hand raising this board.

[Brunger]

That is why I like the thin value bet. The bored has you protected from getting raised without the nuts or close to it. Unless the oppent is a serious lag in which check calling is probably best. Even if the villian is slowplaying a set on the flop or completed a small flush he will most likely just call the river. If he took a stab at the pot with an ace or a turned two pair oftens times you will get a crying call.

[Quindle]

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The bored has you protected from getting raised without the nuts or close to it.

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Dammit, that's the kind of thinking I need in the heat of the moment before I move myself up from 2/4.

If not the spelling.

[Sent]

Wow never thought of betting out, that would be a nice move. I like it.

Actually in the hand I noticed it was a diamond but not the Kd, so I actually folded to his bet here. If I knew it was Kd I would've called it, I have no idea how I missed it and I think I would've been good here now that I think about it.

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[mikeyKay]

maybe that wasnt the best way to put it. my point is that betting out will not get a better hand to fold, and runs the risk of getting raised and might make you fold the best hand, or having to pay 2 bets for a loser. a worse hand might call the bet...but i dont know. i see the other player either making a move or just folding a worse hand, therefore i dont see much value in leading out

-mike