2 Pocket Pair hands

[Mikey2k4]

Hand #1:

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MP2 ($10.00)
MP3 ($12.85)
CO ($25.00)
Button ($23.65)
Hero ($22.50)
BB ($64.75)
UTG ($28.30)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
UTG+2 ($55.35)
MP1 ($24.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25. CO posts a blind of $0.25. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls $0.25, CO (poster) checks, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $1.1</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.85, MP1 calls $0.85, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.85, CO folds.

<font color="green">I think that's a good amount for a raise. I want to eliminate guys so they don't have draws on me, and this feels like the right amount.</font>

Flop: ($5.15) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises to $8</font>, MP3 folds, Hero ???

<font color="green">Uh oh a King. Maybe if I bet strong at it, I can represent big slick and at least see what people have out there. Looks like I found out, huh?</font>

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Hand #2:

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<font color="green">The hand before, MP2 calls CO's $2.80 preflop raise with K3o. CO had QQ. Both an Ace and a King flop. MP2 bets, CO calls - they check down. I figure CO must be steaming to take MP2's money, so I'm playing with that in mind.</font>

CO ($39.28)
Button ($21.70)
SB ($47.50)
BB ($25.45)
UTG ($18.17)
UTG+1 ($25.45)
MP1 ($65.86)
MP2 ($9.15)
Hero ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises to $2.4</font>, Hero calls $2.40, CO calls $2.40, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($7.95) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to $6</font>, MP2 calls $6, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to $20</font>, MP2 calls $0.75, (All-In) calls $2.35.

Turn: ($50.05) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>

River: ($50.05) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: $50.05
<font color="green">Main Pot: $50.05, between CO, SB, MP2 and Hero.</font>

Results to follow (although if I'm posting an aces hand, you can guess what happened)

[Mikey2k4]

Hand 1: I fold. Is that weak tight? I'm thinking not, but it's painful to not get paid with a high pocket pair. There is a POSSIBLITY that he's semi-bluffing with a straight draw. I thought about it for a while, and just decided to be a bit weak. I think this had something to do with Hand 2, though.

Hand 2: CO has 77 and takes down the pot with his flopped set. MP2 had KTo, so I have no idea what that guy was doing.

Argh - it's probably a bad beat story (well, not exactly as he was WAY ahead when I went all-in). I guess it's more of an on-tilt story.

I basically had to get up and leave the tables (I was 2-tabling) at this point in time before I got really stupid or something.

[Burno]

Ok, I haven't looked at the results yet.

That format makes it a little tough to sort out the action.

Hand 1- With the posters and the limpers, I don't think your raise was enough. I'd make it $1.75 or $2. I like your flop bet and your fold to the raise.

Hand 2- Given your decription of MP2, I believe you should have re-raised enough to set him in preflop. If the maniac likes his hand enough to raise a quarter of his stack, he'll have no trouble calling off the rest of it.

The min-raise on the flop puts you in a tough spot, especially if you trust your read that the CO is steaming. With the way the action has gone down, his min raise probably deserves a little more respect than normal. I'd have bet more on the flop, around $6, to let him know I'm serious.

Since you opted to just call preflop, your hand hasn't been defined, which makes this flop decision more difficult than it should be.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

hand 1 fold.

hand 2, it looks like you lost when he reraises your checkraise.

[Mikey2k4]

That's actually what I was looking for. I think I fried a circuit or two thinking, "I'm on a downstreak. Oh, look, Aces! Time to get PAID!" And then going WAY too far with them.

A sane person would realize that their check-raise got raised, and goes, "Wait a minute..." Ack - need to learn discipline. (But not too much "discipline" where I get weak.)

I think your reply is what I needed.

[Wayfare]

You let CO in beind you when you only smooth called the raise. That looks like a pretty costly move this time.

I don't think that aces should be slowplayed at these limits.

[bobman0330]

Hand #2's more painful, but I dislike the play of Hand #1 a lot more. If you're going to raise from the blinds, you should usually raise more than normal or not at all, since your position will be so bad. Either take a flop cheap or get it heads-up... what you want to avoid is what happened here, playing a big pot out of position. Given that that happened, the bet on the flop is a suicide mission. There are just too many people to hope that no one has a king or better