Was this a terrible call?

[craiga_uk]

The perp, who won the pot, was quite LA-A and was doing well as the table was tight and people we're wimping out.
I hadn't hit much all night, and so my judgement was possibly clouded when making this call, but I didn't consider him having a 3 as he wasn't quite that loose.
I figured if I caught an A or J that I would have him beat, or at least split the pot - and obviously catching a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif would be payday.

(Sorry for the format - BisonBisons converter doesn't work with Crypto logs):

Game #171635904: Texas Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1) - 2004/10/21 - 23:45:40 (GMT)
Table "Stoughton" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Thythe ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Lamoor ($36.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Gamebot ($190.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Confused2 ($43.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Jamiesd ($208.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Craiga_uk ($63.50 in chips)
Seat 7: jim_clark ($56.50 in chips)
Seat 8: honey15 ($104 in chips)
Seat 9: wigglebum ($114.25 in chips)
Seat 10: Al7777 ($62 in chips)
Confused2: posts small blind $0.50
Jamiesd: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Craiga_uk [Jd Ad]
Craiga_uk: raises to $4
jim_clark: calls $4
honey15: folds
wigglebum: folds
Al7777: folds
Thythe: folds
Lamoor: folds
Gamebot: folds
Confused2: folds
Jamiesd: calls $3
----- FLOP ----- [9c 2d 3h]
Jamiesd: bets $2
Craiga_uk: calls $2
jim_clark: raises to $4
Jamiesd: calls $2
Craiga_uk: calls $2
----- TURN ----- [9c 2d 3h][3d]
Jamiesd: bets $200.50 and is all-in
Craiga_uk: is all-in $55.50
jim_clark: is all-in $48.50
Returned uncalled bets $145 to Jamiesd
----- RIVER ----- [9c 2d 3h 3d][8h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Jamiesd: shows [8c Ah] (Two Pairs, Eights and Threes, Ace high)
Craiga_uk: shows [Jd Ad] (A Pair of Threes, Ace high)
jim_clark: shows [6s 6d] (Two Pairs, Sixs and Threes, Nine high)
Jamiesd collected $14 from Side pot
Jamiesd collected $167 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $184 Main pot $167 Side pot $14 | Rake $3
Board [9c 2d 3h 3d 8h]
Seat 1: Thythe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Lamoor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Gamebot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Confused2 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Jamiesd (big blind) showed [8c Ah] and won ($181) with Two Pairs, Eights and Threes, Ace high
Seat 8: honey15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: wigglebum folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Al7777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[turkkito]

Yes it was a terrible call, at best you have 15 outs (and just because you here had, doesn't mean you usually have). The pot was only $24 after the flop and you called $55.50 on the turn... that should have been an easy fold. I don't like your preflop raise either, AJs is not very strong hand, especially out of position.

[gytten]

my god, I've been out-drawn by ppl like you all day...

first of all, don't raise with AJs... esp. not in a fullring game and in early POS.

you are raised $2 on the flop into a $11 pot.. you have 2 overcards.. well, a call could be made I guess.

the turn pairs the board and gives you a 9 outer flushdraw. Someone goes all-in... you do realize he is representing a fullhouse right? so if you beleave him none of your outs are live... if you don't beleave he has the boat, ok, 9 outs with 1 card to come.

If you accually beleave that you can get an Ace or a Jack to win the pot... (you think he just has a pair or overpair not higher than Tens) you have about ~31% chance of winning the pot.

the pot is $23 and he puts you all-in for $55.50 ... what are you even thinking about? ever heard of pot-odds?


the answer to your question is: YES ITS A TERRIBLE CALL. If you keep playing like that you'll soon be all out of money /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[bunky9590]

Yep. It was also a terrible raise Preflop. Keep the pot small out of position with AJs. Hit a hand before you go nuts.

[Always Rockets]

Wow what a horriffic call....
You do have alot of out but you are committing all of your chips KNOWING YOURE BEHIND!!!!

...and one more thing- A-J is NOT a good hand especially in early position!

[craiga_uk]

[ QUOTE ]

Wow what a horriffic call....
You do have alot of out but you are committing all of your chips KNOWING YOURE BEHIND!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]
Hmmm, I realise that my call was terrible - I knew that when it took me 20 secs to call, and then regret it the second I did it. I'm not usually THIS fishy - I was on tilt from the fact I'd not had hardly anything all night, and the time I flopped a nice set of 9's no-one hit anything, giving me a small pot.

[ QUOTE ]
I don't like your preflop raise either, AJs is not very strong hand, especially out of position.

[/ QUOTE ]

The reason I preflop raised this was to try and limit the field - I didn't really fancy my chances limping in. I guess this was bad play?

Looking at this again this morning, I can't believe I called. I feel a complete prat, and I'm nicely out of pocket too. At least I've learned a poker lesson though - get off the table if you're not getting results, before you do something silly.

On another note, why is AJs so bad? Because it's dominated by AQ, AK, AA?

[bunky9590]

[ QUOTE ]
On another note, why is AJs so bad? Because it's dominated by AQ, AK, AA?


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Not only that, but raising with AJs, you usualyy only get called by hands that beat you (i.e strong enough to call a raise or reraise) and encourages the hands you beat to fold. Plus the will have position on you 9 times out of 10 if you raise there in EP.

Raising AJ in EP is a limit thing.

[craiga_uk]

(Costly) lesson learned.
It annoys me that I thought I was actually getting pretty good, then I go and do something silly like that. Now I'm more determined to up my game to win it back. :-)

Thanks Bunky!

[schwza]

at the risk of beating a dead horse, it's especially bad b/c if somebody has a boat, you're drawing dead.

[el_grande]

At first I thought you had JJ and was thinking your call depended on the players. But then when I started reading responses I noticed it was just an overcard flush draw. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Limp preflop and don't make that massive call!