Should I even bother calling this river - 2 hands

[vetman81]

Wondering if I should call these rivers. Also, comments on my play in general are appreciated.


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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

MP1 is a loose weak calling station. I would have thought he would raise with a queen on the flop or turn, but who knows. Also, any pair now beats me, so should I call here or not?


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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 folds, BB folds.

I just called here hoping the other two came along, planning a raise on the turn.

Turn: (3.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Thoughts?

[Klak]

first hand i would call, barely. second hand im sure he has an ace and i fold.

[Peter Harris]

hand 1 - yes, but with QQQ on the board, a case could be made for check-calling the flush when any pocket pair, Q, 4 or 5 beats you.

hand 2 - yes.

Regards,
Pete Harris

(taking 2 weeks off to write essays on Max Weber and Gendered Kinship /images/graemlins/confused.gif)